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Larry Erickson's avatar

Three observations:

One, people who have paid attention to the science and to other examples of levels of something increasing with social acceptance and then leveling off are unanimously going "DUH!"

Another is do not be surprised if the reactionaries reply to this study by claiming that "It was around 2018 when we started saying we wouldn't put up with this crap and the growth stopped, proving we were right! Social contagion! Trans ideology! SAVE THE CHILDREN!"

The last is that although most of the artificially-created social panic has been over transgender women, the sharpest increases in diagnosis and legal change in the years before 2018 were for transgender men, the difference pointing to the sexist and sex-obsessed nature of the opposition to justice.

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Shayne's avatar

Time will tell us what is going on. I completely understand why conservatives are in a panic (literally and not in any way justified) and I get why we as trans people and our allies want hard sciences to back us when we tell them to fuck off.

Some people can't handle social change and the rest of us just want to be left to be our best most wonderful and beautifully realized selves.

It is an interesting study perhaps showing a glimpse of something but what?

I whole heartedly agree that the social contagion thing is laughable except that underlying it is a very dangerous message, "trans isn't normal and it is unwanted/dangerous!"

Like left handedness, we are and have been suppressed in who feels safe in being out.

I agree that we aren't there yet in the US or anywhere else (except this glorious place I go in my imagination when things get tough). Just think of all the trans kids being raised in these conservative families/communities. For many, it is going to take at least a decade or two (if ever) to get over that kind of hate and oppression - even if the world around them becomes more supportive and accepting.

From the "left handedness"graph, the change was profound and it took at least forty years (I was in elementary school in the US in the 60s/70s and being left handed wasn't something being actively discouraged but teachers weren't yet comfortable with left handed students). The entire graph of the Swedish study covers 40 years. In another 40-80 years we will likely have the same sort of perspective that we have on being left handed. A more direct comparison would be sexuality - being gay is a very different thing now than what it was in 1960 but there are still kids being taught to reject that part of themselves and to reject others. The sexuality curve isn't flat yet. It's getting closer and I really wish we were there but being gay still involves "coming out" and not just being. We'll likely know we're there with sexuality and gender when people no longer know what you mean if you said you were "coming out."

"Sally came out to us last week as left handed. The family is adjusting and generally supportive! We're all thrilled that she has such a great doctor/counselor etc."

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