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Leah Abram's avatar

Can we call it a genocide yet? I seriously think they want to do worse than just institutionalize us.

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Jenny's avatar

It's not genocide yet. It's more likely to be Incitement to Genocide, which is a separate crime according to article 3 of the Genocide Convention.

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Ellen Adele Harper's avatar

I'm afraid that the argument can be made that the U$ meets all ten stages of genocide. I posted on substack about this back in February. https://open.substack.com/pub/ellenadeleharper/p/the-genocide-of-transgender-people

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Conor Bradley's avatar

Holt fucking shit

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Conor Bradley's avatar

What are we supposed to do. I've been physically attacked three different times at work since all of this. This isn't America as the world knows it to be... This is Germany in the 30's and 40's and transgender Americans are the JEWS.

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Jenny's avatar

I agree about 1-7, but I feel like 8-10 are a stretch for now. Republicans are starting to openly talk about 8.

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Jenny's avatar

Stage 8 isn't just any persecution. Here's the more complete description:

"Victims are identified and separated out because of their national, ethnic, racial or religious identity. The victim group’s most basic human rights are systematically violated through extrajudicial killings, torture and forced displacement. Death lists are drawn up. In state sponsored genocide, members of victim groups may be forced to wear identifying symbols. Their property is often expropriated. Sometimes they are segregated into ghettoes, deported to concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. They are deliberately deprived of resources such as water or food in order to slowly destroy the group. Programs are implemented to prevent procreation through forced sterilization or abortions. Children are forcibly taken from their parents. Genocidal massacres begin."

There are no mass extrajudicial killings, torture, or forced displacement. We're not forced to wear identifying symbols. Our property is not expropriated. We're not segregated into ghettos, deported into concentration camps, or confined to famine-struck regions and starved. We're not deprived of food and water. There are no genocidal massacres.

What US is doing to immigrants pretty clearly fits this description. What US does to trans people doesn't quite fit it yet, tho it probably will very soon. I understand that it feels nice to call this a genocide, but I think you would have a hard time proving that this is genocide in court (incitement to genocide on the other hand is a different story).

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Leah Abram's avatar

Trust me, it *doesn't* feel "nice" to call it a genocide. You know what would feel "nice"? EQUALITY WITH CIS PEOPLE!!!!

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Leah Abram's avatar

Considering that our healthcare is being banned state-by-state, and there is an increase of suicidality among trans youth after our rights have been gradually taken away, I would say it's past time we called it a genocide.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/09/25/nx-s1-5127347/more-trans-teens-attempted-suicide-after-states-passed-anti-trans-laws-a-study-shows

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

Illinois is actively trying to provide resources and healthcare to transgender Americans in neighboring states, for what it's worth.

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Leah Abram's avatar

I'm in NYC. I'm pretty safe here (so far). I still stand by what I said.

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

Oh, I agree entirely, it's far overdue to call the MAGA actions against us what it is; genocide in action.

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Iris's avatar

This *is* the genocide.

Or the call for it, at least. A (if not the) site of our marginalization has always been the sanitorium, which became the asylum, which became the psych ward. Though comparisons to racial paradigms are always somewhat risky to make, the rhetoric around conversion therapy ("love the sinner, hate the sin") reminds me so much of the "kill the Indian, save the man" mentality that fueled the genocidal logic underpinning so-called "Indian boarding schools" in the American context.

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Jennica French's avatar

see, it wasn’t a genocide, ‘cause some lived. This excuse has been used again and again in history. Then the genocidal parties can feel good about the ‘mercy’ they give. Mace, Jackson and any other politicians in office saying these things should be kicked out of polite politics, and become unemployable in a fair and just society, which we had until 2016.

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s l's avatar

Yet once the call for genocide has rung as loudly, how often did it go unanswered? History tends to pay little attention to atrocities that don't happen, but a clear rendering of the negative space might provide some helpful perspective today.

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Leah Abram's avatar

Erin's map of the states with the worst laws says otherwise.

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

It has been obvious since 2022 that this is where we're going. Look at how many Trans refugees have left their state of origin or the United States altogether, because one of the markers of genocide isn't just a pile of ashes outside industrial crematoria, it's people displaced by ethnic cleansing (6 million Palestinian refugees living in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, a quarter million Somalis and Balkan Muslims in the US, et al).

Another marker is disappearing people by removing legal recognition, which has also been done at the federal level and in a majority of states. The only question is how granular it will get. All nonbinary gender markers could be revoked, all updated gender markers (like mine) revoked. Forced legal detransitioning is a second form of genocide.

A third mode of genocide is to remove healthcare and the ability to work. We're very close to the 1930s German Nuremburg Laws which did this to Jewish German citizens. The implications are obvious.

A fourth mode is to remove access to government services and public accommodations, housing, and the criminalization of homelessness. Another is to criminalize our identities. Again, we were four or five steps away from this in January, now we're only one or two steps.

We can be disappeared, displaced, erased, and genocided without having to replicate the Nazi death factories of the 1940s. The Tallahassee Treblinka, Florida Flossenburg, Sarasota Sobibor, and Alligator Auschwitz can still serve in that capacity even if the genocidal functionality is in turning real transgender Americans into ersatz cisgender people in lieu of turning living gender diverse people into formerly living fertilizer.

But there's one glaring and ominous difference between the Nazi era and today. Then, there was a series of interlocking military treaties between Western democracies that became the nucleus for the Allied resistance to globalized fascism. Today we have only a weakened and divided NATO and an impotent and debilitatingly neutered UN, and an ICC the US is no longer even signatory to. NATO isn't going to invade the United States to end fascism and stop genocide! It CAN'T. So there's that to think about. Without a nation able to play the role of America in Round Two of Global Fascist Bowling for Dollars, there's no rescue, no Allies, no chance of getting off this murder carousel. Either we save ourselves…or we don't.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

Good luck with that, Mace & Jackson.

Good luck with that.

We have plenty of warning and will not all be soft targets.

We will not go into camps or that good night easily.

Remember the Warsaw Ghetto uprising?

We can do way better than that to your Dirlewanger Brigade.

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Kassandra F.'s avatar

I think that they are forgetting that there are a lot of us that are veterans (USMC 95-15), and have, or have access to, the style of weapons that we were trained to use. This girl right here is definitely not a soft target.

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nwclerk1989's avatar

conservatives would have a stroke if they realized just how many trans women are former eagle scouts and better shots than them.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

:Forgive me, my sense of humor got the best of me:

Considering how they crash Grindr, what kind of stroke would they have?

"Yeah, who's your Momma now?"

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Emily's avatar

And that’s exactly what they want to justify locking everyone up or finding other uses for involuntary lethal injections.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

Emily, they can have no justification, it is not possible -- more "justification" as they claim it is superfluous.

In the spirit of Capt. Evans of the USS Johnson, doing what damage we can to these evil people is, if they go there, well merited. It is rational to do so, pour encourager les autres.

Power concedes nothing without demand, and many of them have made such public crimes they can not afford to lose power - but as an extralegal negotiation.

Depending on how the 2026 elections go, look for an Enabling Act.

Be prepared to get to as Blue an area as you can.

But cheer up, it is only 2 of them. Should it be 200 it is time to make ready.

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Emily's avatar

Enabling act?

I feel the 2026 elections, if we make it that long, will be the point of no return. Either the ship will start to right itself away from MAGA, or they will be settling in for the very long haul.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

March 23, 1933, Hitler's Enabling Act. History is a good thing to know.

"or they will be settling in for the very long haul."

Exactly what I mean, but instead of a long haul, it can be made a siege.

And in that event, should be so.

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Emily's avatar

Ah yes, that one. Just didn’t remember it by name.

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ILoveKitties's avatar

Do you honestly think that they won't invent a "justification"?

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Talia Perkins's avatar

I think at this point it is all only a 'downside' calculation for them. If the downside for them is not high enough, they'll do it.

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Jennica French's avatar

Joe Mannarino is a hate-spewing fear-monger and Nancy Mace is his amplifier.

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MakeTheWorldSafeForDiversity's avatar

How long do the American people have to put up with these blatant calls to genocide? I would call it Radio Rwanda, but America was founded on the genocide of Native Americans and the enslavement/totalitarian control of Black people.

"we have to get them off the streets and we have to get them off the internet and we can’t let them communicate with one another. I’m all about free speech, but this is a virus. This is a cancer that is spreading across this country."

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Talia Perkins's avatar

"How long do the American people have to put up with these blatant calls to genocide? "

When is it on every newscast not cheering for it, that that is what it is ? !!!

Seriously we need a new publicist, whoever we hired sucks ass.

"but America was founded on the genocide of Native Americans and the enslavement/totalitarian control of Black people."

Wrong, nothing about that is much different from how humanity conducted itself day in and day out and for millennia before.

What was different is what is notable, and relevant.

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MakeTheWorldSafeForDiversity's avatar

Look up the Somersett decision in the UK. The UK was in the process of banning slavery. That is the reason the founding fathers rebelled: to protect slavery because they saw the writing on the wall. How does fit into the American narrative of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

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Talia Perkins's avatar

"How does fit into the American narrative of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?"

Very well, since the idea of universal individual inherent human rights as opposed to as ~members of the tribe~ was very new -- do you recall how often they referred to the "rights of Englishman" the Crown was violating? -- also most of the Founders had no slaves and meant not to, and it was clearly anticipated emancipation would occur, it was later generations increasingly in the South which rejected that as a societal goal.

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MakeTheWorldSafeForDiversity's avatar

When George Wallace in 1963 in his stand in the doorway of the registrar's building at the University of Alabama caused JFK to send federal troops and make his historic un-American pro "Civil Rights Speech" which undermined all of American history, Wallace received a large amount of telegrams in support from the North. They far outpaced his support from the South. This caused Wallace to exclaim: they're all Southern. This whole country is Southern.

The most un-American statement by JFK on 6/11/1963 that absolutely applies to transgender soldiers today: "Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. And when Americans are sent to Vietnam or West Berlin, we do not ask for whites only."

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Talia Perkins's avatar

"When George Wallace ... for whites only.""

Not a word of which concerns or justifies misrepresentations about what is philosophically distinct and relevant about the American Founding or Founders. At that, Biden got his start in the Democrat Party stridently opposing integration via busing and praising Wallace for that man's views before that man's 'change of heart', didn't he?

Nothing was un-American about JFK's statement which you quote.

Humanity, in the field of political economy, has yet to better what was best of the years 1775~1789 in the formerly British 13 colonies; but in the more broad application of what was best of those years there.

We only have ever in the history of our species, been ruled by Liberty -- which is to say not much ruled at all -- or have been ruled by Crown, or Crozier, or Committee, or Crowd in some combination and form or other. I prefer neither of those last four thank you, but the former.

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Kim Bart's avatar

Class action lawsuit?

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Sarah F's avatar

Yep! And let the winnings fund more class action suits and spill over to funding lobbyists and campaign contributions to our strongest allies. Let's fuel our freedom movement with dollars from their hatred.

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Andy's avatar

Another Trans woman being harassed and blamed for the actions of the toxic white male she dated, allegedly.

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June Rockway's avatar

Is there anything more affirming than being blamed for your partner's actions simply because you're a woman?

The Republicans are truly clueless.

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Becks's avatar

I just learned this is called “ewphoria.”

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Katrina deVille's avatar

All of the republicans referenced here (with maybe the exception of Jackson) have a history of mental depravity and extreme malicious intent toward the transgender community. Mace in particular has a notably disturbing level of psychosis with regard to us, and I would absolutely support a class action lawsuit against her for defamation, harassment and causing severe negative impact to the lives of transgender people as result of her incessant hate speech. It absolutely is hate speech what she does; for purpose of illustration, ask anyone to replace the target of her words with Jewish people or black people and see how her statements land. Hate speech never changes, only the target shifts.

As a consolation, I suggest these 4 be recommended for psychological counseling to deal with their obvious mental disorder regarding trans people. Their rhetoric suggests a strong indication of detachment from reality and they increasingly become a danger to themselves and those around them.

We absolutely need to be suing the piss out of these hate manufacturers and reversing this course of negative social construction before it becomes any worse.

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Kim Bart's avatar

Here here! Any lawyers in the group that can help? Or just give us our legal options? I'm a proud trans supporter and have a beautiful trans daughter that I fear for.

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Sarah F's avatar

Yep! It's well past time! Class action lawsuits. Sue them all until they stop or are financially ruined.

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LA Schwerdt's avatar

I am overwhelmed on a daily basis and continue to debate leaving the U S. I want to stay to fight, but don't want to be a martyr either. I'm still here for a host of reasons, so I try to focus on those reasons and stand firm.

Thank you for being my link to the real news and connecting our community.

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Kassandra F.'s avatar

Wow, didn’t think we were this far along with the genocide they have planned for us. My willingness to step foot in any VA medical facilities just went down considerably. Glad that I have my passport and am only 2hrs from the border with Canada…..

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collins's avatar

the moment we saw that most democrats were just fine with the palestinian genocide, i knew that trans people were next. it’s hard to argue against one genocide when you are actively supporting another. it’s the same feeling i had when nothing changed after sandy hook. if we are ok with tiny children being gunned down at school, then why would we expect to protect anyone else. i’m not defeatist- i know and see so much beautiful resistance happening. but we are the ones who protect us. we must never sleep on pushing and pushing our reps to do what’s right.

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Brianna Amore's avatar

In reality it's Nancy Mace that needs psychiatric help. I have a degree in Psychology and I recognize the CLEAR signs of Histrionic Personality Disorder.

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Gem Martin's avatar

I have heard conflicting reports about the roommate in question. According to other sources his roommate was an alt-right cis white man… and I don’t know who the texts are with, but they could easily be fabricated to tell a false narrative. They are bending over backwards to try and eradicate the trans community and it is beyond frustrating and exhausting.

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Sarah F's avatar

I don't believe anything until I see broad corroborating evidence, including from sources I would trust.

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Johnny's avatar

Love how leftists are scolded, doxxed, and harassed for celebrating the fact one less Nazi is around, but these freaks can call for our executions and that’s fine.

I’m scared. I’m genuinely afraid for myself and our community and I don’t know what to do.

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Femmaeve MacQueen's avatar

I feel it too. The key is to stay out of fight-or-flight, otherwise crafting a sustainable plan forward may become out of reach. 🩵🩷

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Dr.Sue's avatar

Stay strong. Find the joy in each day. Pendulum will swing back!!! What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.

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Joel W. Crump's avatar

Mace is nuts, I think, I understand she was upset when Kirk was killed, I don't blame her for being upset, but she acts like a trans woman peeing is raping her - that's just stupid. We don't need clueless people like that in congress. And saying that trans identity is mentally ill, give me a break, it's a psychological disconnect between assigned sex and how one feels inside, sure, that's not mental illness though.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

"it's a psychological disconnect between assigned sex and how one feels inside"

The feelings inside are produced by biology, by anatomy -- not awry psychology.

Transgender people perceive their gender to be what it is, for the same neurological reason cisgender people do.

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Joel W. Crump's avatar

OK, I may have stated it poorly, sorry.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

"Mace is nuts", exceeded in that only possibly by MTG.

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Emily Stewart's avatar

I don't know, Mace and MTG are both pretty irractional and unhinged.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-issues-warning-about-jews-taking-over-christian-patriotic-turning-point-usa/

Nope, MTG still edges them all out. I forgot about the Jewish space lasers thing too. Def MTG.

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Emily Stewart's avatar

Yes, the Jewish space lasers. Mace has come up with anything like that yet. She seems to have a one-track mind, focused on us.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

MGT! Winnah and champeen of MAGAT nutballery!

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Joel W. Crump's avatar

Good point.

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KiKi_215's avatar

I look forward to the day that these people, the ACTUAL terrorists, get bitch slapped with their karma. Pure. F’ing. Evil.

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Georgette Wolf's avatar

The spewage from Mace and Jackson tells me that neither one of them knows a trans person. What they spew is all second hand, from others who also don’t know any trans people.

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Briar's avatar

I'm non-binary trans and have schizoaffective disorder (plus I'm autistic with ADHD and have multiple chronic diseases). I'm really, really scared. Schizophrenia-family disorders are already so stigmatized and "scary", and are an easy target for being the first to get rounded up. I'm well controlled & medicated, but all this existential terror and threats still causes breakthrough symptoms.

Ever since November, I've been saying loudly and clearly that people need to take seriously the rhetoric about putting large groups of people into camps - RFK Jr's "wellness" camps for people on psychiatric medications, forcibly institutionalizing trans people becoming a more and more frequent talking point - and people thought I was being ridiculous and fearmongering. Not so silly now, huh?

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

Not fear mongering and not silly, not at ALL. But people sometimes reject bad news despite its empiricism because they aren't in the emotional space to cope with it. Maladaptive and delimited, but not uncommon. I wish you strength and grace!

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Dee E Dressler's avatar

I have to admit to a desire to be willfully ignorant these days. Thank you to Erin in the Morning for keeping my eyes open. Just when you thought they couldn't get any more nasty towards us, they notch it up. Sigh...

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