These are people who lie--making up bogus science, cheat--gerrymandering their states so only they can win, and steal--or at least they try to with every election they lose. They have no ethics-no scruples. They shelter themselves under umbrellas with words like "family" and "freedom" and "America" which are exactly opposite their actions. And amazingly they claim to represent Jesus. They are a brood of vipers and a danger to us and all Americans. The danger to us is certainly more direct but the danger to our democracy is no less dire. If we can get our fellow Americans to take the steps to protect our democracy, as a byproduct we may be able to protect ourselves in states like Missouri.
As much as I dislike the tactics of the GOP re abortion, this is an even worse attack on individual rights. This goes to the very fabric of who a person is and their right to live as they choose. Dobbs was a terrible decision; the right which is imbued in our history is not the right to an abortion but the right of self-determination and the right to privacy under the 14th amendment, as borne out in the multiple privacy cases besides Roe (the ones the justices said they aren’t going after...we’ll see). The right to privacy is not enumerated in the Constitution but it has been settled time and time again that it exists. But this isn’t about privacy; this is about autonomy, parental rights, medical access, and right of adults to choose their own path in life. It’s about fundamental freedom, and I cannot believe we are having this discussion in the United States of America in 2023.
I still say the right to transition and the right to abortion aren't linked. They are the same right. The right to personal bodily autonomy. Informed consent medical care for everyone, i say.
The law is horrible but Wash U and it’s doctors are being cowards. OB docs deal with higher level of liability (for a baby who suffered an injury during childbirth) their whole careers. They still come to work every day and take care of their patients. Wash U needs to shell out money and insure their transgender clinic providers at the same level as their OB providers. Leaving those few hundred patients without good options for care is also malpractice.
I was intrigued by the reference to Missouri laws chapter 538 mentioned in one of Erin's excerpts, saying its provisions would not apply to this new law.
Turns out that chapter 538.228 says in effect that any licensed physician working in a government agency or in nonprofit community health care "shall not be liable for any civil damages for acts or omissions unless the damages were occasioned by gross negligence or by willful or wanton acts or omissions." That's a bit oversimplified, but it's the gist.
There are two exceptions: abortions and now gender affirming care.
This is a relatively recent development. It was a key aspect of Ron DeSandFlea's "Don't Say Gay" law, which attempted to put the law beyond legal challenge by claiming there were no enforcement provisions, it merely created a cause for action, i..e. gave lots of people standing to sue, so there was no basis on which to sue the state. You'd have to wait to be sued and then fight those suits one by one.
The idea is the same for this provision of the Missouri law. "Oh,o, this provision doesn't ban trans care, it merely means that you can do everything right but still be sued 15 years later. You wanna take the risk? Go ahead. We're not stopping you."
I'll say the same thing I said when arguing with somebody about the FL law who used the meme that it doesn't say "you can't say the word 'gay.'" "These people are not idiots," I said. "They know what they're doing."
Poopy news. How do you counter-act state sponsored discrimination that has the underlying intent to exterminate our existence? These government sponsored acts really are a call to arms on all fronts for us.
These are people who lie--making up bogus science, cheat--gerrymandering their states so only they can win, and steal--or at least they try to with every election they lose. They have no ethics-no scruples. They shelter themselves under umbrellas with words like "family" and "freedom" and "America" which are exactly opposite their actions. And amazingly they claim to represent Jesus. They are a brood of vipers and a danger to us and all Americans. The danger to us is certainly more direct but the danger to our democracy is no less dire. If we can get our fellow Americans to take the steps to protect our democracy, as a byproduct we may be able to protect ourselves in states like Missouri.
This. Is. Genocide. We’re in the “Ghetto” phase. It’s only a matter of time before we’re murdered en masse outright.
As much as I dislike the tactics of the GOP re abortion, this is an even worse attack on individual rights. This goes to the very fabric of who a person is and their right to live as they choose. Dobbs was a terrible decision; the right which is imbued in our history is not the right to an abortion but the right of self-determination and the right to privacy under the 14th amendment, as borne out in the multiple privacy cases besides Roe (the ones the justices said they aren’t going after...we’ll see). The right to privacy is not enumerated in the Constitution but it has been settled time and time again that it exists. But this isn’t about privacy; this is about autonomy, parental rights, medical access, and right of adults to choose their own path in life. It’s about fundamental freedom, and I cannot believe we are having this discussion in the United States of America in 2023.
I still say the right to transition and the right to abortion aren't linked. They are the same right. The right to personal bodily autonomy. Informed consent medical care for everyone, i say.
The law is horrible but Wash U and it’s doctors are being cowards. OB docs deal with higher level of liability (for a baby who suffered an injury during childbirth) their whole careers. They still come to work every day and take care of their patients. Wash U needs to shell out money and insure their transgender clinic providers at the same level as their OB providers. Leaving those few hundred patients without good options for care is also malpractice.
GOP have no conscience.
I was intrigued by the reference to Missouri laws chapter 538 mentioned in one of Erin's excerpts, saying its provisions would not apply to this new law.
Turns out that chapter 538.228 says in effect that any licensed physician working in a government agency or in nonprofit community health care "shall not be liable for any civil damages for acts or omissions unless the damages were occasioned by gross negligence or by willful or wanton acts or omissions." That's a bit oversimplified, but it's the gist.
There are two exceptions: abortions and now gender affirming care.
This is a relatively recent development. It was a key aspect of Ron DeSandFlea's "Don't Say Gay" law, which attempted to put the law beyond legal challenge by claiming there were no enforcement provisions, it merely created a cause for action, i..e. gave lots of people standing to sue, so there was no basis on which to sue the state. You'd have to wait to be sued and then fight those suits one by one.
The idea is the same for this provision of the Missouri law. "Oh,o, this provision doesn't ban trans care, it merely means that you can do everything right but still be sued 15 years later. You wanna take the risk? Go ahead. We're not stopping you."
I'll say the same thing I said when arguing with somebody about the FL law who used the meme that it doesn't say "you can't say the word 'gay.'" "These people are not idiots," I said. "They know what they're doing."
Poopy news. How do you counter-act state sponsored discrimination that has the underlying intent to exterminate our existence? These government sponsored acts really are a call to arms on all fronts for us.