So now you need a passport to drive through Mississippi or be subjected to detention by ICE. As a New Yorker, can't we just let the South sucede? Partition makes so much sense to me right now.
The problem is that that's not a long-term solution. We shouldn't abandon our allies there - and, with Congress and the President as they currently are, it would be more like a Northern secession, to be honest.
Or 𝘢𝘯𝘺 modern ID, for that matter. The only pieces of information relevant to the card's purpose are the photo, name, age, and biometrics, if included. If these are insufficient to determine whether the ID matches the person holding it, then a single letter denoting something the authority examining the ID will have either no legal grounds or no practical means to test for is hardly going to be of any help.
Apparently gender markers on driver's licenses are needed to allow ICE to easily identify, detain, torture and possibly shoot or deport anyone who has changed their legal gender.
Once again, Mississippi is reaching back into its long and painful history of state-sanctioned discrimination — this time targeting the LGBTQ+ community through SB 2322. This bill is not simply an attack on the dignity and rights of LGBTQ+ Mississippians; it attempts to extend discrimination beyond state borders, signaling that exclusion and inequality are policies worth exporting.
Laws like SB 2322 do not protect anyone. They divide communities, legitimize bias, and place already vulnerable people at greater risk of harm. At a time when the country should be moving toward equality and inclusion, Mississippi has chosen regression — using legislation as a tool to single out people for who they are.
Civil rights should not depend on geography. Equality should not stop at a state line. History has shown us clearly where laws rooted in fear and prejudice lead, and this moment demands that we speak out, organize, and challenge policies that deny any group their humanity or equal protection under the law.
Their only purpose--in anything-- at this point is control. From what I can tell, all that a gender designation does is attempt to preserve the binary myth by codfication. Their structures are based on black/white, us/them "thinking". Fluidity terrifies them and threatens their rapidly disintegrating grasp on power. Long term, it's not going to work, but for now it is disruptive to all the right groups...f'ers.
OK, so here’s my question (actually two scenarios):
- If you’re moving to Mississippi and have in your possession a clean, sealed unredacted BC from another state showing the correct sex marker, would you be OK on visiting the drivers license office upon your arrival in the state?
- What about people who changed their sex marker in another state, then moved to Mississippi in the past, and so are already in their system with the correct marker (and without the prior change having been done in Mississippi ? Will these people be OK on renewal?
Per usual, the determination of whether or not someone passes will be left entirely up to the authority examining the ID... which will, of course, lead to all sorts of trouble for cis women who don't conform to conservative gender norms. Are the police going to be empowered to strip search anyone who they suspect of being trans? Will they 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 themselves empowered to do so, even if the law doesn't explicitly allow it?
States that pass laws like these are going to become less safe for everyone, not just trans people. But then, forcing the people to live in fear of the state seems to be a key Republican policy goal, these days.
Bans on gender markers on driver licenses is just bigotted stupidity. Other than the obvious hatred for us, what does a state hope to gain by such foolishness? It's not like having a gender marker on the license somehow changes how the person looks. It's not like the law enforcement folks are going to treat us any differently because of what a gender marker might say marker. Unless I'm missing something, there is no good reason to have ANY gender on a driver license. God knows, if you get detained, they're going to strip search you and treat you with all the disrespect (or respect) that they would provide to ANY detainee. Given the history of Mississippi's law enforcement, I fear that none of us would fare too well in a confrontation with them regardless of what it says on our license. They won't be satisfied until we're all eliminated. After all, it's what all good christian nationalists do, or at least hope for.
As far as outing at a traffic stop, keep in mind, that even if you live in a blue state, and the LEO takes your license and runs it through their system, it’s pretty certain that their laptop screen will light up with every name you’ve ever held a license under.
From the article: "Alongside a requirement that all new, renewal, or duplicate driver's licenses reflect sex assigned at birth, SB 2322 also invalidates out-of-state driver's licenses issued to individuals who it asserts could not prove lawful presence in the United States—meaning that some licenses that are legal in other states are no longer recognized in Mississippi. "
Could someone help me with a point of confusion? To get a "Real ID" driver's license, you have to prove that you are in the US legally, so it becomes proof that you have met this standard. The Mississippi law says nothing about requiring sex assigned at birth on a Real ID from another state, so any Real ID from outside of Mississippi should be honored as proof of legal US presence. Right???
And as far as I can tell, states can still set the standard for what gender marker goes on a Real ID. Is this correct?
Actually the Real ID law that was passed federally says Real ID reflects gender identity not sex at birth. No executive order can change that. A memo Trump needs to get. An executive order has no enforcement power. His NCAA order he just did can be ignored on trying to limit athletes to 5 years of eligibility and 1 transfer. With citizenship requirement, the Supreme Court looks poised to uphold birthright citizenship so one less tool in Trump’s anti-immigrant bag to work with. Real ID law was passed in 2005 when Republicans controlled both chambers of congress and was signed by President Bush. Republicans got nobody to blame but themselves if they wanted Real ID to reflect sex at birth.
Government officials throughout the existence of human beings have tried to regulate the legislate the Entire LGBTQIA WORLD and even after thousands of years of civil war against us they still refuse to acknowledge the fact that WE ARE NOT EVER GOING AWAY! We are born Every Single Day and we Will CONTINUE TO BE BORN EVERY DAY! You cannot Legislate Nature! And no matter how hard you try you will never do it! If you ignore Science you are doomed to fail, as witness the current administration of CLOWNS that is actively working to destroy America and the World at the behest of Putin and the oligarchs who own them all!! The point is that they are doing it for the Cruelty and the fear and terror that comes from their own weaknesses of Morality and their masters ABSOLUTE GREED! The World has outgrown Capitalism and the Greed Mongers of this world! It’s time for a change in our society and that means ACCEPTING EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION! 🌈🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🦄❤️🩷
Thank you for the thorough report and graphic! The civil rights violations are insane and cannot stand as ok in this country. For now, it brings new meaning to Dr. Seuss' "Oh, the places you'll go...."
Now this is getting downright disgusting. Looks like our existence may soon be limited to blue states.
A disgusting development was my first thought - thanks for beating me to it!
So now you need a passport to drive through Mississippi or be subjected to detention by ICE. As a New Yorker, can't we just let the South sucede? Partition makes so much sense to me right now.
Trans people exist in the south too, we deserve the right to exist in southern states as much as anywhere else in this country.
That's really not a serious idea. So many people in the south have virtually no means of leaving
I know…but I can dream.
There are five states whose driver's licenses note citizenship, I don't recall which ones.
Not Texas, I just looked.
The problem is that that's not a long-term solution. We shouldn't abandon our allies there - and, with Congress and the President as they currently are, it would be more like a Northern secession, to be honest.
I am so heartily sick of the self-righteous republican party! I support the Trans community completely.
Why are there even gender markers on state IDs at all?
Because it makes them feel all icky if they can't tell if someone is a boy or a girl.
While they simulataneously screech they can always tell.
Or 𝘢𝘯𝘺 modern ID, for that matter. The only pieces of information relevant to the card's purpose are the photo, name, age, and biometrics, if included. If these are insufficient to determine whether the ID matches the person holding it, then a single letter denoting something the authority examining the ID will have either no legal grounds or no practical means to test for is hardly going to be of any help.
Apparently gender markers on driver's licenses are needed to allow ICE to easily identify, detain, torture and possibly shoot or deport anyone who has changed their legal gender.
Grew up in Mississippi. 0 stars. Do not recommend.
Can confirm. I lived there for about two years growing up.
For so very many reasons...
Once again, Mississippi is reaching back into its long and painful history of state-sanctioned discrimination — this time targeting the LGBTQ+ community through SB 2322. This bill is not simply an attack on the dignity and rights of LGBTQ+ Mississippians; it attempts to extend discrimination beyond state borders, signaling that exclusion and inequality are policies worth exporting.
Laws like SB 2322 do not protect anyone. They divide communities, legitimize bias, and place already vulnerable people at greater risk of harm. At a time when the country should be moving toward equality and inclusion, Mississippi has chosen regression — using legislation as a tool to single out people for who they are.
Civil rights should not depend on geography. Equality should not stop at a state line. History has shown us clearly where laws rooted in fear and prejudice lead, and this moment demands that we speak out, organize, and challenge policies that deny any group their humanity or equal protection under the law.
I just updated mine in Michigan, simple and easy 😌
I'm concerned that these places might call it fraudulent.
There are a lot of states getting added to the avoid at all costs list.
I want to know why sex or gender is relevant to driving or any other use of a driver’s license. Or any identification document for that matter.
I’d be happy if gender markers are eliminated entirely for everyone! What purpose do they serve?
Their only purpose--in anything-- at this point is control. From what I can tell, all that a gender designation does is attempt to preserve the binary myth by codfication. Their structures are based on black/white, us/them "thinking". Fluidity terrifies them and threatens their rapidly disintegrating grasp on power. Long term, it's not going to work, but for now it is disruptive to all the right groups...f'ers.
The GOP once again focusing it's legislative efforts into attacking marginalized communities.
Imagine if they put the same level of resources into improving the lives of their constituents?
They are improving the lives of their constituents--their oligarch overlords.
OK, so here’s my question (actually two scenarios):
- If you’re moving to Mississippi and have in your possession a clean, sealed unredacted BC from another state showing the correct sex marker, would you be OK on visiting the drivers license office upon your arrival in the state?
- What about people who changed their sex marker in another state, then moved to Mississippi in the past, and so are already in their system with the correct marker (and without the prior change having been done in Mississippi ? Will these people be OK on renewal?
Per usual, the determination of whether or not someone passes will be left entirely up to the authority examining the ID... which will, of course, lead to all sorts of trouble for cis women who don't conform to conservative gender norms. Are the police going to be empowered to strip search anyone who they suspect of being trans? Will they 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 themselves empowered to do so, even if the law doesn't explicitly allow it?
States that pass laws like these are going to become less safe for everyone, not just trans people. But then, forcing the people to live in fear of the state seems to be a key Republican policy goal, these days.
Bans on gender markers on driver licenses is just bigotted stupidity. Other than the obvious hatred for us, what does a state hope to gain by such foolishness? It's not like having a gender marker on the license somehow changes how the person looks. It's not like the law enforcement folks are going to treat us any differently because of what a gender marker might say marker. Unless I'm missing something, there is no good reason to have ANY gender on a driver license. God knows, if you get detained, they're going to strip search you and treat you with all the disrespect (or respect) that they would provide to ANY detainee. Given the history of Mississippi's law enforcement, I fear that none of us would fare too well in a confrontation with them regardless of what it says on our license. They won't be satisfied until we're all eliminated. After all, it's what all good christian nationalists do, or at least hope for.
As far as outing at a traffic stop, keep in mind, that even if you live in a blue state, and the LEO takes your license and runs it through their system, it’s pretty certain that their laptop screen will light up with every name you’ve ever held a license under.
From the article: "Alongside a requirement that all new, renewal, or duplicate driver's licenses reflect sex assigned at birth, SB 2322 also invalidates out-of-state driver's licenses issued to individuals who it asserts could not prove lawful presence in the United States—meaning that some licenses that are legal in other states are no longer recognized in Mississippi. "
Could someone help me with a point of confusion? To get a "Real ID" driver's license, you have to prove that you are in the US legally, so it becomes proof that you have met this standard. The Mississippi law says nothing about requiring sex assigned at birth on a Real ID from another state, so any Real ID from outside of Mississippi should be honored as proof of legal US presence. Right???
And as far as I can tell, states can still set the standard for what gender marker goes on a Real ID. Is this correct?
Actually the Real ID law that was passed federally says Real ID reflects gender identity not sex at birth. No executive order can change that. A memo Trump needs to get. An executive order has no enforcement power. His NCAA order he just did can be ignored on trying to limit athletes to 5 years of eligibility and 1 transfer. With citizenship requirement, the Supreme Court looks poised to uphold birthright citizenship so one less tool in Trump’s anti-immigrant bag to work with. Real ID law was passed in 2005 when Republicans controlled both chambers of congress and was signed by President Bush. Republicans got nobody to blame but themselves if they wanted Real ID to reflect sex at birth.
Government officials throughout the existence of human beings have tried to regulate the legislate the Entire LGBTQIA WORLD and even after thousands of years of civil war against us they still refuse to acknowledge the fact that WE ARE NOT EVER GOING AWAY! We are born Every Single Day and we Will CONTINUE TO BE BORN EVERY DAY! You cannot Legislate Nature! And no matter how hard you try you will never do it! If you ignore Science you are doomed to fail, as witness the current administration of CLOWNS that is actively working to destroy America and the World at the behest of Putin and the oligarchs who own them all!! The point is that they are doing it for the Cruelty and the fear and terror that comes from their own weaknesses of Morality and their masters ABSOLUTE GREED! The World has outgrown Capitalism and the Greed Mongers of this world! It’s time for a change in our society and that means ACCEPTING EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION! 🌈🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🦄❤️🩷
Thank you for the thorough report and graphic! The civil rights violations are insane and cannot stand as ok in this country. For now, it brings new meaning to Dr. Seuss' "Oh, the places you'll go...."