A new ad shared by the DeSantis campaign from the rapid response account, DeSantis War Room, targets gay and trans Republicans. Many expressed disbelief that DeSantis would do this.
Exactly, it always baffles me how these idiots think they’ll be spared the same treatment they espouse to others. But time and time again they’re left with a stupid look of pure confusion as they get thrown under the bus with everyone else.
Perhaps it would’ve been legitimate for an LGBT person to be a Republican several decades ago, when the party was more moderate, but I cannot imagine why they would want to be a Republican now, even if they agree with them on fiscal or tax policy. Why would someone want to support a political party that is determined to erase their legal recognition and deny gender-affirming medical care?
I always told my “fiscally conservative “ friends that that is a bullshit statement. The money will always be spent. Let’s just fight for where we want it spent.
The way I see it, there was a period where it was arguably just as logical to be a gay republican as a gay democrat for the simple reason that both parties were similarly shitty on LGBT rights. But that hasn't been the case for many, many years, and so there's no rational reason to be queer and a republican at this point. Zero, zip, nada.
I've known some who either had a sheltered life or - at the opposite side - a life of feeling rejected (e.g. a gay man who's not "attractive" enough to other gay men). In both cases they find themselves in the opposition because their "community" never heard or saw them.
Well, now. The GOP has tolerated high profile or rich LGBTQIA+ people for access to their $$ and publicity. But anyone who knows even a little bit about fascism and white supremacists knows that when the time is right, tolerance becomes extinction. 1930s Berlin comes to mind. Those who thought they were special are finding out that they are just as abhorrent to their fascist buddies as the rest of the population. I have not one bit of sympathy for any of them; for too long they have kissed the feet of those in office.
Log Cabin Rs and their ilk have deluded themselves for years, claiming some fantasy moral high ground they believe they occupy.
Last year, the TX GOP blocked them from attending the state GOP convention. Still, they pined away, blaming the rest of the “bad” queers for all our wokeness. If only we could all be self-loathing conservatives, then the Republicans would leave us alone. That’s their twisted logic.
All it took for them to back trump was one rainbow flag at the RNC and their dear leader stiffly stumbling over LGBTQ, to create the fantasy of acceptance. Pay no attention to the party platform specifically excluding us. They don’t really mean it...
These are the same people who refuse to do the real work for civil rights, but bask in the privilege of same rights once LGBTQ liberals succeed. They disgust me.
I just don’t understand how lgbtq+ members don’t support other lgbtq+ members. I mean everyone should be standing up for equal rights for all, but this is crazy that they thought they were immune to the hate.
I think usually these are people who felt like they had a chance at blending in. Like Caitlyn Jenner, pre-transition. Or Aaron Schock. They've had a taste of what white supremacism can bring them, but it's too painful to face the reality that they'll never have all that privilege ever again.
I think you're right, but they should still care about the others who don't, "pass". My daughter is afraid that she doesn't pass, but I told her the idea of "passing" is kinda crazy. I told her I have a lot of cis women friends who don't pass the conventional definition of what their gender should reflect anyway. Now that they are ganging up on transwomen, they are getting more heat too about not fitting in. Like yeah, this is really protection for cis women!
It's because they are engaging in some CYA, trying to protect whatever degree of safety they (think they) have found by insisting "No no, they're not with us; we're the safe ones, the good ones, not like THEM."
My only degree of sympathy lies in that this is not unique to the LGBTQIA+ community. I have personally seen a similar dynamic play out civil rights, peace, and labor movements.
Wait what? I'm part of the culture my party is at war with? Surely not me, there must be some mistake! It just makes you wonder who these people thought they were in bed with. And surprise. You thought they were just going after transgender youth. For their own protection of course. Now you find the culture war is against gay, transgender and lesbian Republicans too. This is a party that thrives on chaos. It needs its base to be outraged and it needs a target for that outrage. (Sorry Target stores no pun intended). It is hoping that the country will buy the hate it is selling. And that's a part of you are a part of LGBT Republicans. And now we find you are surprised by that. None of the rest of us are. And guess what, now you can start thinking that maybe it wasn't about protecting transgender kids at all. You think?
This ad is so upsetting. Sadly, these Trump and DeSantis supporters are being used and will ultimately end up being sacrificed in one way or another. It's part of the playbook. Watching the new film Eldorado and seeing what happened to Nazi Officer Ernst Rohm, a gay man, and the head of the German Nazi paramilitary SA group...why would it be any different now? The thinking is the same.
They will come for the non-cis-sexuals first, I'd guess, moving on to probably Latinos who weren't born in the US, then others, finally ending with everyone that isn't one of them, or one of their slaves.
Truly I hope this turns out to be a miscalculation on the part of the DeSantis campaign and that it results in more than a few people turning away from what he is offering. I doubt that the campaign have missed the mark, however, when it comes to their target audience. People will cheer for the headlines that feature in the video, read them as a feature not a bug, and give their boy a slap on the back for being strong where others are weak.
That ad is gonna get some people pumped! Some honestly believe that folks like DeSantis are the underdog in this fight: a strong and righteous man who will not be cowed by the powerful LGBTQ lobby. It is a sad state of affairs that so many have been persuaded to regard trans people the way that many evidently sincerely do. (And we're coming to trans your children too, because of course we are.)
Whereas I see that the support for trans people that seemed to be growing a decade or so ago was after all miles wide and scarcely an inch deep: our existence discovered by the Good People then and billed as another reason to Celebrate Diversity; discovered and exploited for political gain by the Bad People now as the perfect occasion for a Moral Panic. And so the world turns.
Re the response to the DeSantis War Room queerphobic ad:
This has already been said multiple times, but I'll say it anyway: What the hell did they expect? Does Lenin's famous reference to "useful idiots" ring any bells?
At the same time, for those who are either in the community or supporters, let it serve as a reminder that yes, there are among us those (such as for the perhaps best known example, "terfs") who reject much of what's encompassed by LGBTQIA+, whose thinking is as much binary as the oppressors', and who would shave the term down to LGB and sometimes even discard the B.
The notion of "I got mine," what the British call "I'm alright, Jack," exists and while we can be bitterly amused, we shouldn't be surprised at the shocked reactions from those who thought they could cover themselves by insisting "oh no, they're not with us" when they discover that they are not alright after all.
As always, they were used long enough to allow the GOP to gain the traction they wanted to go after us all. I will never understand what exactly went through their heads when they allied themselves with that party expecting something different.
I offer the historical record has proven time, and time again, folks will never be erased. Those folks who are keen on the subject of history are aware powerful individuals throughout time have attempted to wipe individuals and entire societies "off the map." However, Science [re: Archaeology to cite one example] continue to reveal evidence. Other issues: I am glad debate rages on social media. Social media is an invention largely taken for granted nowadays. However, it is the public domain where EVERYONE with an electronic device, and a WiFi connection can access. The ideologies of humanity will crumble, and die, or flourish. I am happy to be a contributor in my small way. Thank you, to Everyone who contributes their views on this platform. I enjoy reading them. And thanks again to Erin & Company for keeping us abreast of all the developments. Sending lots of Love to All from London, Ontario, Canada.
Saving my empathy for transgender children and migrants drowning in the Mediterranean or from the brutal conditions in the Darien Gap or of dehydration in Arizona or Texas. This headline convinced me I was about to read Andy Borowitz or the Onion or whatnot. Speaking of a major river in Africa. They deserve a Susan Collins award. Ugh.
"I can't believe these leopards are eating my face"
Basically. I’m shocked that they’re shocked...
Exactly, it always baffles me how these idiots think they’ll be spared the same treatment they espouse to others. But time and time again they’re left with a stupid look of pure confusion as they get thrown under the bus with everyone else.
Hey we have the same name!
Now the next big question is if you took yours from the same book I did haha
Agreed. Hate is hate.
Perhaps it would’ve been legitimate for an LGBT person to be a Republican several decades ago, when the party was more moderate, but I cannot imagine why they would want to be a Republican now, even if they agree with them on fiscal or tax policy. Why would someone want to support a political party that is determined to erase their legal recognition and deny gender-affirming medical care?
Because they believe that if people would just stop focusing on the whole gay thing they’d be treated like their race and class entitle them to.
I always told my “fiscally conservative “ friends that that is a bullshit statement. The money will always be spent. Let’s just fight for where we want it spent.
The way I see it, there was a period where it was arguably just as logical to be a gay republican as a gay democrat for the simple reason that both parties were similarly shitty on LGBT rights. But that hasn't been the case for many, many years, and so there's no rational reason to be queer and a republican at this point. Zero, zip, nada.
I've known some who either had a sheltered life or - at the opposite side - a life of feeling rejected (e.g. a gay man who's not "attractive" enough to other gay men). In both cases they find themselves in the opposition because their "community" never heard or saw them.
Well, now. The GOP has tolerated high profile or rich LGBTQIA+ people for access to their $$ and publicity. But anyone who knows even a little bit about fascism and white supremacists knows that when the time is right, tolerance becomes extinction. 1930s Berlin comes to mind. Those who thought they were special are finding out that they are just as abhorrent to their fascist buddies as the rest of the population. I have not one bit of sympathy for any of them; for too long they have kissed the feet of those in office.
Log Cabin Rs and their ilk have deluded themselves for years, claiming some fantasy moral high ground they believe they occupy.
Last year, the TX GOP blocked them from attending the state GOP convention. Still, they pined away, blaming the rest of the “bad” queers for all our wokeness. If only we could all be self-loathing conservatives, then the Republicans would leave us alone. That’s their twisted logic.
All it took for them to back trump was one rainbow flag at the RNC and their dear leader stiffly stumbling over LGBTQ, to create the fantasy of acceptance. Pay no attention to the party platform specifically excluding us. They don’t really mean it...
These are the same people who refuse to do the real work for civil rights, but bask in the privilege of same rights once LGBTQ liberals succeed. They disgust me.
I just don’t understand how lgbtq+ members don’t support other lgbtq+ members. I mean everyone should be standing up for equal rights for all, but this is crazy that they thought they were immune to the hate.
I think usually these are people who felt like they had a chance at blending in. Like Caitlyn Jenner, pre-transition. Or Aaron Schock. They've had a taste of what white supremacism can bring them, but it's too painful to face the reality that they'll never have all that privilege ever again.
I think you're right, but they should still care about the others who don't, "pass". My daughter is afraid that she doesn't pass, but I told her the idea of "passing" is kinda crazy. I told her I have a lot of cis women friends who don't pass the conventional definition of what their gender should reflect anyway. Now that they are ganging up on transwomen, they are getting more heat too about not fitting in. Like yeah, this is really protection for cis women!
They really ought to! And good on you for telling your daughter that 💖
"I don't understand...."
It's because they are engaging in some CYA, trying to protect whatever degree of safety they (think they) have found by insisting "No no, they're not with us; we're the safe ones, the good ones, not like THEM."
My only degree of sympathy lies in that this is not unique to the LGBTQIA+ community. I have personally seen a similar dynamic play out civil rights, peace, and labor movements.
Like a certain supreme court justice 😮💨
I admit I hadn't thought of that example, but yuppers.
Let's not forget DeSantis also supports a pastor who says we should be 'done away with'
(Tom Ascol, who "delivered the invocation at Gov. Ron DeSantis' second inauguration,")
Ron DeSantis supports pastor who says gay people should be "put to death"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-pastor-buddy-tom-ascol-appears-to-defend-uganda-gay-death-penalty
Wait what? I'm part of the culture my party is at war with? Surely not me, there must be some mistake! It just makes you wonder who these people thought they were in bed with. And surprise. You thought they were just going after transgender youth. For their own protection of course. Now you find the culture war is against gay, transgender and lesbian Republicans too. This is a party that thrives on chaos. It needs its base to be outraged and it needs a target for that outrage. (Sorry Target stores no pun intended). It is hoping that the country will buy the hate it is selling. And that's a part of you are a part of LGBT Republicans. And now we find you are surprised by that. None of the rest of us are. And guess what, now you can start thinking that maybe it wasn't about protecting transgender kids at all. You think?
This ad is so upsetting. Sadly, these Trump and DeSantis supporters are being used and will ultimately end up being sacrificed in one way or another. It's part of the playbook. Watching the new film Eldorado and seeing what happened to Nazi Officer Ernst Rohm, a gay man, and the head of the German Nazi paramilitary SA group...why would it be any different now? The thinking is the same.
One thing he got right with this ad was comparing himself to American Psycho.
As Gomer Pyle used to say "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!"
They will come for the non-cis-sexuals first, I'd guess, moving on to probably Latinos who weren't born in the US, then others, finally ending with everyone that isn't one of them, or one of their slaves.
Because that's the goal, I think.
Truly I hope this turns out to be a miscalculation on the part of the DeSantis campaign and that it results in more than a few people turning away from what he is offering. I doubt that the campaign have missed the mark, however, when it comes to their target audience. People will cheer for the headlines that feature in the video, read them as a feature not a bug, and give their boy a slap on the back for being strong where others are weak.
That ad is gonna get some people pumped! Some honestly believe that folks like DeSantis are the underdog in this fight: a strong and righteous man who will not be cowed by the powerful LGBTQ lobby. It is a sad state of affairs that so many have been persuaded to regard trans people the way that many evidently sincerely do. (And we're coming to trans your children too, because of course we are.)
Whereas I see that the support for trans people that seemed to be growing a decade or so ago was after all miles wide and scarcely an inch deep: our existence discovered by the Good People then and billed as another reason to Celebrate Diversity; discovered and exploited for political gain by the Bad People now as the perfect occasion for a Moral Panic. And so the world turns.
Re the response to the DeSantis War Room queerphobic ad:
This has already been said multiple times, but I'll say it anyway: What the hell did they expect? Does Lenin's famous reference to "useful idiots" ring any bells?
At the same time, for those who are either in the community or supporters, let it serve as a reminder that yes, there are among us those (such as for the perhaps best known example, "terfs") who reject much of what's encompassed by LGBTQIA+, whose thinking is as much binary as the oppressors', and who would shave the term down to LGB and sometimes even discard the B.
The notion of "I got mine," what the British call "I'm alright, Jack," exists and while we can be bitterly amused, we shouldn't be surprised at the shocked reactions from those who thought they could cover themselves by insisting "oh no, they're not with us" when they discover that they are not alright after all.
As always, they were used long enough to allow the GOP to gain the traction they wanted to go after us all. I will never understand what exactly went through their heads when they allied themselves with that party expecting something different.
I offer the historical record has proven time, and time again, folks will never be erased. Those folks who are keen on the subject of history are aware powerful individuals throughout time have attempted to wipe individuals and entire societies "off the map." However, Science [re: Archaeology to cite one example] continue to reveal evidence. Other issues: I am glad debate rages on social media. Social media is an invention largely taken for granted nowadays. However, it is the public domain where EVERYONE with an electronic device, and a WiFi connection can access. The ideologies of humanity will crumble, and die, or flourish. I am happy to be a contributor in my small way. Thank you, to Everyone who contributes their views on this platform. I enjoy reading them. And thanks again to Erin & Company for keeping us abreast of all the developments. Sending lots of Love to All from London, Ontario, Canada.
Saving my empathy for transgender children and migrants drowning in the Mediterranean or from the brutal conditions in the Darien Gap or of dehydration in Arizona or Texas. This headline convinced me I was about to read Andy Borowitz or the Onion or whatnot. Speaking of a major river in Africa. They deserve a Susan Collins award. Ugh.