They’re about to go down a major rabbit hole. According to geneticists, intersex/DSD, is a lot more common than originally thought. Wait till they get some XXY and XYY chromosomes. Heads will explode!!!
That's right, yet people who act like they think they know something don't even make it about the sex chromosomes, but the developed organs. Just utter stupidity, but then again these are people who voted for Trump and company, so, yeah.
Pseudo science leads to very bad places. A recent study has shown that after 1 yr. on HRT, DNA methylation matches the gender identity that the trans patient identifies with. It's methylated at cis levels. Simplified - modern science has made sex changes not only possible but very effective. The human body is maleable and so is sex. The gender binary is a brain dead colloquialism.
I want to add a public comment but this isn't my area! could someone more knowledgeable give this a once over and let me know if I'm mis-understanding any part of the original post? would hate to look like a fool and make it easier to discount my opposition...
I strongly opposed the proposed revision to require submission of biometrics related to benefits and the expansion of biometrics collection authority upon alien arrest. The policy as proposed doesn’t have many safeguards for privacy or require the disposal of the DNA, and would dramatically increase federal intrusion into individual affairs. It would also cost a small fortune to implement at a time when the government is already cutting more valuable and proven health and food benefits, signaling we do not have the resources to waste on this authoritarian fever dream.
They are very unlikely to warehouse our DNA samples. It's far more likely they will just store the raw DNA data. My raw DNA file is about 250 MB, compressed. So we're talking about crazy amounts of data. We're talking about the government running an operation far larger than Ancestry.com. It's going to be expensive.
Another talking point: This DNA dragnet is going to violate a lot of genetic privacy laws!
I strongly oppose the proposed revision to require submission of biometrics related to benefits and the expansion of biometrics collection authority upon arrest. The policy as proposed doesn't have sufficient safeguards for privacy or require the disposal of the data, and would dramatically increase federal intrusion into individual affairs. It would also cost a small fortune to implement at a time when the government is already cutting more valuable and proven health and food benefits, signaling we do not have the resources to waste on this authoritarian fever dream.
As an intersex person and advocate I have been warning for decades that this day is coming. Many intersex people’s form of intersex will not show up with genetic testing. The purpose of doing wholesale karyotypes is to “justify” wholesale eugenic homocide. People deemed fundamentally inferior to a randomly selected pseudo majority are to be “treated” to mutilating, sterilization, and even death. It isn’t new. It isn’t news and it’s been under way for a Cpl hundred years especially in the USA. I wish it weren’t true but the eugenics wars will be a kick off to WWIII. Can we stop it? Are there enough people who even want to? Or are we dystopian enough to WANT to watch half of the population get wiped out? Sigh
This concerns me both as a trans person and as an intersex person. This shouldn't be anybody's business but my own. Are they going to force me to get an operation to take out my underdeveloped ovaries? Even if I had the bottom surgery to get rid of my dangle?
They’ll likely just go for the SRY gene presence test, a bit faster and cheaper than the full karyotype. The test has an accuracy of about 99.3% when performed under ideal conditions (trained practitioner, clean room conditions, etc). The accuracy when performed by a CBP examiner and processed in a CBP back office repurposed as a laboratory will very likely be lower.
Now, apply the Bayes theorem and determine how many non-transgender and non-intersex women will be accused of being “biological men”, and similarly the error rate for finding “biological women” among the men, given that actual trans and intersex folks just aren’t that common.
Whoopsie!
Very roughly half (more if their lab practices are the least bit sloppy) will be false diagnoses.
Nah, it sounds like they want the whole genome, because they want to do surveillance on us (not just trans people). For instance, there's a protest, and cops bust heads. Some protesters escape. So they wipe down the billy clubs and run the DNA to find out who they whacked in the head. Then they arrest them for assaulting an officer and perpetrating acts of terrorism - or whatever.
Meanwhile, the League of Antifa sends its operatives onto buses and subways with those little vacuum cleaners sold to clean keyboards, and sucks up dandruff, skin flakes, and such from millions of people, to be dusted onto caps and gloves of protesters.
Oh, and don’t tell them about folks with various chimeric conditions. I’m one. I’ll test as my own sibling on some swab tests. :)
This is the most discusting thing I have ever heard of trump and his ignorant followers have reached a new low, are absolutely vial individuals. This must not stand. It IS AN INVASION OF PRIVACY AND ILLEGAL AND MUST BE FOUGHT EVERY WAY. Just when I think trump could not go any lower he has.
This kind of thing is exactly the reason why privacy advocates were shouting warnings from the rooftops about the PATRIOT Act and the creation of DHS, almost a quarter of a century ago. The potential for abuse has 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 been there. It was merely waiting for someone unscrupulous enough to take advantage.
Henna. I was just going to ask Erin to write a sample note. I like yours a lot and will use it but include language re use on immigrants and us citizens. I don’t like to use the word alien unless there is a good reason. Erin could you chime in and provide a sample? Thank you.
I strongly oppose the proposed revision to require submission of biometrics related to benefits and the expansion of biometrics collection authority upon arrest. The policy as proposed doesn't have sufficient safeguards for privacy or require the disposal of the data, and would dramatically increase federal intrusion into individual affairs. It would also cost a small fortune to implement at a time when the government is already cutting more valuable and proven health and food benefits, signaling we do not have the resources to waste on this authoritarian fever dream.
Plus they surround themselves with the worst type of "scientists". That information can and would/will be used for experimentation, especially trans women.
Beyond that they will use the slightest thread to claim that some cis women aren't women, particularly women of color, who tend to have higher testosterone levels than white women.
They've already shown themselves to be willing to interpret the law to use as a axe, that could be used as falsifying information on official documents, which becomes a felony forgery charge.
This is more than surveillance. This is the extension of the prison slavery system and so much more.
Breaking: SCROTUS says the Twatwattle Administration may require that our birth sex be listed on our passports, even if we have medically and legally transitioned.
So, what will happen if we try to re-enter the country with our gender-correct passports? Will our passports be confiscated? Will we be denied re-entry (which would be against the law)?
with #KKKaroline and #Trump MouthAnus going off after election day yesterday, None of us should be shocked by how debase #twitterx has become. They are literally calling for jailing and killing #democrats, #progressives, #trans, and anyone NOT them on twitter.
They’re about to go down a major rabbit hole. According to geneticists, intersex/DSD, is a lot more common than originally thought. Wait till they get some XXY and XYY chromosomes. Heads will explode!!!
Trump! will just insist the paperwork be faked however they want it.
That's right, yet people who act like they think they know something don't even make it about the sex chromosomes, but the developed organs. Just utter stupidity, but then again these are people who voted for Trump and company, so, yeah.
Pseudo science leads to very bad places. A recent study has shown that after 1 yr. on HRT, DNA methylation matches the gender identity that the trans patient identifies with. It's methylated at cis levels. Simplified - modern science has made sex changes not only possible but very effective. The human body is maleable and so is sex. The gender binary is a brain dead colloquialism.
I want to add a public comment but this isn't my area! could someone more knowledgeable give this a once over and let me know if I'm mis-understanding any part of the original post? would hate to look like a fool and make it easier to discount my opposition...
I strongly opposed the proposed revision to require submission of biometrics related to benefits and the expansion of biometrics collection authority upon alien arrest. The policy as proposed doesn’t have many safeguards for privacy or require the disposal of the DNA, and would dramatically increase federal intrusion into individual affairs. It would also cost a small fortune to implement at a time when the government is already cutting more valuable and proven health and food benefits, signaling we do not have the resources to waste on this authoritarian fever dream.
They are very unlikely to warehouse our DNA samples. It's far more likely they will just store the raw DNA data. My raw DNA file is about 250 MB, compressed. So we're talking about crazy amounts of data. We're talking about the government running an operation far larger than Ancestry.com. It's going to be expensive.
Another talking point: This DNA dragnet is going to violate a lot of genetic privacy laws!
revised to say:
I strongly oppose the proposed revision to require submission of biometrics related to benefits and the expansion of biometrics collection authority upon arrest. The policy as proposed doesn't have sufficient safeguards for privacy or require the disposal of the data, and would dramatically increase federal intrusion into individual affairs. It would also cost a small fortune to implement at a time when the government is already cutting more valuable and proven health and food benefits, signaling we do not have the resources to waste on this authoritarian fever dream.
Brava!
As an intersex person and advocate I have been warning for decades that this day is coming. Many intersex people’s form of intersex will not show up with genetic testing. The purpose of doing wholesale karyotypes is to “justify” wholesale eugenic homocide. People deemed fundamentally inferior to a randomly selected pseudo majority are to be “treated” to mutilating, sterilization, and even death. It isn’t new. It isn’t news and it’s been under way for a Cpl hundred years especially in the USA. I wish it weren’t true but the eugenics wars will be a kick off to WWIII. Can we stop it? Are there enough people who even want to? Or are we dystopian enough to WANT to watch half of the population get wiped out? Sigh
This concerns me both as a trans person and as an intersex person. This shouldn't be anybody's business but my own. Are they going to force me to get an operation to take out my underdeveloped ovaries? Even if I had the bottom surgery to get rid of my dangle?
Great reporting, S. Baum.
This is some serious BS that the administration is trying to do. It is not only frightening; it is also a total waste of the taxpayers' money,
They’ll likely just go for the SRY gene presence test, a bit faster and cheaper than the full karyotype. The test has an accuracy of about 99.3% when performed under ideal conditions (trained practitioner, clean room conditions, etc). The accuracy when performed by a CBP examiner and processed in a CBP back office repurposed as a laboratory will very likely be lower.
Now, apply the Bayes theorem and determine how many non-transgender and non-intersex women will be accused of being “biological men”, and similarly the error rate for finding “biological women” among the men, given that actual trans and intersex folks just aren’t that common.
Whoopsie!
Very roughly half (more if their lab practices are the least bit sloppy) will be false diagnoses.
Nah, it sounds like they want the whole genome, because they want to do surveillance on us (not just trans people). For instance, there's a protest, and cops bust heads. Some protesters escape. So they wipe down the billy clubs and run the DNA to find out who they whacked in the head. Then they arrest them for assaulting an officer and perpetrating acts of terrorism - or whatever.
Meanwhile, the League of Antifa sends its operatives onto buses and subways with those little vacuum cleaners sold to clean keyboards, and sucks up dandruff, skin flakes, and such from millions of people, to be dusted onto caps and gloves of protesters.
Oh, and don’t tell them about folks with various chimeric conditions. I’m one. I’ll test as my own sibling on some swab tests. :)
Another disturbing data source for these pigs’ growing list of trans people they’re creating for *who knows why*
This is the most discusting thing I have ever heard of trump and his ignorant followers have reached a new low, are absolutely vial individuals. This must not stand. It IS AN INVASION OF PRIVACY AND ILLEGAL AND MUST BE FOUGHT EVERY WAY. Just when I think trump could not go any lower he has.
This kind of thing is exactly the reason why privacy advocates were shouting warnings from the rooftops about the PATRIOT Act and the creation of DHS, almost a quarter of a century ago. The potential for abuse has 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 been there. It was merely waiting for someone unscrupulous enough to take advantage.
I'm honestly a little amazed it took so long.
https://resist.bot/petitions/PPUPKP
No idea if Congress can do a thing on this topic, but I have posted a ResistBot petition that anyone can use to lobby their Congresscritters.
Henna. I was just going to ask Erin to write a sample note. I like yours a lot and will use it but include language re use on immigrants and us citizens. I don’t like to use the word alien unless there is a good reason. Erin could you chime in and provide a sample? Thank you.
revised to say:
I strongly oppose the proposed revision to require submission of biometrics related to benefits and the expansion of biometrics collection authority upon arrest. The policy as proposed doesn't have sufficient safeguards for privacy or require the disposal of the data, and would dramatically increase federal intrusion into individual affairs. It would also cost a small fortune to implement at a time when the government is already cutting more valuable and proven health and food benefits, signaling we do not have the resources to waste on this authoritarian fever dream.
Oh great point thank you! Was trying to use language from the official summary so I'll either change or put in quotes
Plus they surround themselves with the worst type of "scientists". That information can and would/will be used for experimentation, especially trans women.
Beyond that they will use the slightest thread to claim that some cis women aren't women, particularly women of color, who tend to have higher testosterone levels than white women.
They've already shown themselves to be willing to interpret the law to use as a axe, that could be used as falsifying information on official documents, which becomes a felony forgery charge.
This is more than surveillance. This is the extension of the prison slavery system and so much more.
If my GF is denied entry on any basis, they better watch their backs.
Breaking: SCROTUS says the Twatwattle Administration may require that our birth sex be listed on our passports, even if we have medically and legally transitioned.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-trump-enforce-passport-restrictions-targeting-tra-rcna235999
So, what will happen if we try to re-enter the country with our gender-correct passports? Will our passports be confiscated? Will we be denied re-entry (which would be against the law)?
with #KKKaroline and #Trump MouthAnus going off after election day yesterday, None of us should be shocked by how debase #twitterx has become. They are literally calling for jailing and killing #democrats, #progressives, #trans, and anyone NOT them on twitter.
https://thistleandmoss.com/p/preznit-fuckwit-kkkaroline-leavitt-democrats-need-to-be-executed