They have one. Hurting other human beings who happen to be different from them. Words fail, beginning with the breathtaking, willful ignorance of the Secretary of Education. It seems she could use a little education herself.
It’s definitely worth letting the CA Dept of Ed and Attorney General Bonita know what a great job they’re doing on this, and that we want more of this and less of Newsom.
How anyone can suggest that trans women have an advantage over cis women in CHESS or beauty pageants is beyond me. At the very least, people can justify to themselves the sports bans because it "feels" right to them to say trans women are stronger than cis women. But to say they have an advantage in chess is to suggest that trans women are also inherently smarter, and in something completely arbitrary like a beauty pageant it suggests that they're just better at everything in general.
Since transphobes view trans women as men, that's just blatant misogyny and anyone who believes in it because of their fear for women's safety in competition is kidding themselves. They're essentially allowing those in power to claim that AMAB people are better at everything, an inherently sexist view, because they're completely blinded by transphobia. Trans and cis women alike deserve better.
I've surmised for quite a while now that this is part of the broader plan - gut Title IX so that it's a reward for 'proper' women and girls - so as well as shutting out trans women/girls, women/girls who 'look trans' (which has race coding) and assigned-female intersex folks, it'll eventually exclude lesbians, women/girls who are Too Athletic or Too Smart, women/girls who <i>in any way</i> deviate from the standards of True Women/Girls as held by those who want to restore/create a strict and rigid hierarchy. Women's sports - and women's competitive recreational activities of all kinds - will become a ghetto for those who 'throw like a girl' (or punch or spike or think), with those whose talents and skills exceed that standard excluded on some or another specious and pseudoscientific grounds, be it 'not a Real Woman' or 'her abilities are unfair to the more womanly competitors' or violations of rules against playing 'too rough' (which will of course be different rules than those applied in men's competitions).
Well done to California's Dept. of Education for having more moral backbone and brains than Gavin Newsom, not that it would take a whole lot to manage. But each voice that speaks out against, and rejects participation in this obviously discriminatory decree roll models and gives strength to those who are looking for the courage to speak out or act in kind. ..light a candle..
More of this kind of state-level resistance is sorely needed. Capitulation is the worst thing. Sports is just the first thing to get their foot in the door. After that they go after every other trans civil right, and everything crumbles.
If only we could get the anti-trans gang to be interested in problem solving rather than having an issue to scream about.
If they were, here's my take on some reading I've done on the sports issue. The lead researcher I know on trans women in sports is Joanna Harper. I read her book "Sporting Gender" and the science gets very complicated. You can't really say one way or another at this point.
I agree with Erin in the Morning that including chess and some other things is ridiculous. They could just ungender this stuff, as snooker has done. In snooker men and women compete against each other at the highest level with no problem (except the women have a ways to go to catch up.)
But what about games where shoulder strength is an advantage? Golf, swimming... 1-2 years of HRT does not reduce skeletal differences that may occur in teenage years. However, moving around a bigger body with reduced strength may be a debilitating factor in tennis or running, as Joanna Harper mentions. And of course, some people are just smaller and weaker and can't compete at high levels anyway. One suggestion I've read is to classify by weight, as boxing does, rather than only by gender. As I say, it gets complex.
I think I remember Erin the Morning once mentioning letting individual sports governing bodies make the call. This seems reasonable at this point. That way both civil rights and fairness can be taken into account by experts who really know their activity.
Well, all of this doesn't address the real issues with trans in sport...
To me ot is simple, if you transition post puberty and want to participate in sport fine, but do not compete. Sometimes, being happy or being stubbornly right...
This all sport thing has created a situation where a handful of sport focused trans women damaged all that was gained through the past decades... I find sport to be mindless and boring... if you want accolades achieve academic successes, and become a true defender of trans rights... kicking the bucket don't achieve much, other than losing the water it contains.
I looked into the actual numbers around whether or not trans women are somehow a threat to fairness in women's sports and found that there was no evidence of any such thing (see link below). If some specific sport actually finds that trans women are winning at a disproportionate rate, then fine - we can talk. But until then, the idea that we need federal bans is wild overreaction to something that (so far) isn't even an issue. And the cost is that trans girls are excluded from playing sports alongside their friends, and are made to feel "other" yet again. It also is a form of forced outing. Also, these laws don't include your "if you transition post-puberty" - they're blanket bans.
And no - the trans women who want to compete like any other woman did not damage anything - the conservatives who wanted a way into campaigning on anti-trans rhetoric chose this as their gateway into it after their failure with bathroom bans (in north carolina, for example). And these trans women were just following the rules in place - why should they do anything else?
(I hope it's ok if I share my own writing here - I also link to many other writers in this essay)
So you want to pretend HRT is not effective in removing net "masculine" athletic advantage? On the basis of what facts do you think that is true?
The rules IOC once had in place for the Olympics for 18 years and which they sadly discarded should be re-adopted there and adopted generally. MtF athletes who never underwent any masculine puberty are eligible for women's categories without exception or quibbling. Those who have should be required to undergo up to 2 years of medically effective HRT before competing in women's categories. Those were once the rules, they should be again.
If MtF athletes have participation rates and abilities so little as on par with cisgender female athletes, there should be about 77 of Olympic medalists who are MtF. Instead there are zero. If their participation rate is so little as that in the NCAA now, there should be about 20. Instead there are zero. If so few as one participated and categorically have any masculine advantage, there must be at least 1. Instead there are zero.
No MtF athlete has ever even made a team slot competitively even at the highest levels of competition where any advantage should be most apparent.
The record of Lia Thomas proves MTF athletes have no advantage whatsoever after HRT, as even a MtF athlete rated in the top 10 nationally in their best events prior to HRT, falls in relative ranking in women's categories after HRT. The notable record Thomas set is already bested by a cisgender female athlete! She did not tie with Riley Gaines for 1st place, but for 5th!
Where is the evidence of unfair "masculine" net advantage surviving HRT!
It is imperative that all governments stand against trump’s racist programs - if everyone would join together to oppose these regressive rules trump and his minions could not win
They need a real life it just shows how sad they really are. Ohio will probably never be free form such things. Why must I have to do extra work to satisfy them?
Can these bigots just get a fucking hobby?
This IS their hobby 🙄
They have one. Hurting other human beings who happen to be different from them. Words fail, beginning with the breathtaking, willful ignorance of the Secretary of Education. It seems she could use a little education herself.
I don't feel like on giving Newsome or Cali a pass on it not being a "full" ban.
It’s definitely worth letting the CA Dept of Ed and Attorney General Bonita know what a great job they’re doing on this, and that we want more of this and less of Newsom.
How anyone can suggest that trans women have an advantage over cis women in CHESS or beauty pageants is beyond me. At the very least, people can justify to themselves the sports bans because it "feels" right to them to say trans women are stronger than cis women. But to say they have an advantage in chess is to suggest that trans women are also inherently smarter, and in something completely arbitrary like a beauty pageant it suggests that they're just better at everything in general.
Since transphobes view trans women as men, that's just blatant misogyny and anyone who believes in it because of their fear for women's safety in competition is kidding themselves. They're essentially allowing those in power to claim that AMAB people are better at everything, an inherently sexist view, because they're completely blinded by transphobia. Trans and cis women alike deserve better.
I've surmised for quite a while now that this is part of the broader plan - gut Title IX so that it's a reward for 'proper' women and girls - so as well as shutting out trans women/girls, women/girls who 'look trans' (which has race coding) and assigned-female intersex folks, it'll eventually exclude lesbians, women/girls who are Too Athletic or Too Smart, women/girls who <i>in any way</i> deviate from the standards of True Women/Girls as held by those who want to restore/create a strict and rigid hierarchy. Women's sports - and women's competitive recreational activities of all kinds - will become a ghetto for those who 'throw like a girl' (or punch or spike or think), with those whose talents and skills exceed that standard excluded on some or another specious and pseudoscientific grounds, be it 'not a Real Woman' or 'her abilities are unfair to the more womanly competitors' or violations of rules against playing 'too rough' (which will of course be different rules than those applied in men's competitions).
Well done to California's Dept. of Education for having more moral backbone and brains than Gavin Newsom, not that it would take a whole lot to manage. But each voice that speaks out against, and rejects participation in this obviously discriminatory decree roll models and gives strength to those who are looking for the courage to speak out or act in kind. ..light a candle..
More of this kind of state-level resistance is sorely needed. Capitulation is the worst thing. Sports is just the first thing to get their foot in the door. After that they go after every other trans civil right, and everything crumbles.
If only we could get the anti-trans gang to be interested in problem solving rather than having an issue to scream about.
If they were, here's my take on some reading I've done on the sports issue. The lead researcher I know on trans women in sports is Joanna Harper. I read her book "Sporting Gender" and the science gets very complicated. You can't really say one way or another at this point.
I agree with Erin in the Morning that including chess and some other things is ridiculous. They could just ungender this stuff, as snooker has done. In snooker men and women compete against each other at the highest level with no problem (except the women have a ways to go to catch up.)
But what about games where shoulder strength is an advantage? Golf, swimming... 1-2 years of HRT does not reduce skeletal differences that may occur in teenage years. However, moving around a bigger body with reduced strength may be a debilitating factor in tennis or running, as Joanna Harper mentions. And of course, some people are just smaller and weaker and can't compete at high levels anyway. One suggestion I've read is to classify by weight, as boxing does, rather than only by gender. As I say, it gets complex.
I think I remember Erin the Morning once mentioning letting individual sports governing bodies make the call. This seems reasonable at this point. That way both civil rights and fairness can be taken into account by experts who really know their activity.
Well, all of this doesn't address the real issues with trans in sport...
To me ot is simple, if you transition post puberty and want to participate in sport fine, but do not compete. Sometimes, being happy or being stubbornly right...
This all sport thing has created a situation where a handful of sport focused trans women damaged all that was gained through the past decades... I find sport to be mindless and boring... if you want accolades achieve academic successes, and become a true defender of trans rights... kicking the bucket don't achieve much, other than losing the water it contains.
On what basis are you forming this opinion?
I looked into the actual numbers around whether or not trans women are somehow a threat to fairness in women's sports and found that there was no evidence of any such thing (see link below). If some specific sport actually finds that trans women are winning at a disproportionate rate, then fine - we can talk. But until then, the idea that we need federal bans is wild overreaction to something that (so far) isn't even an issue. And the cost is that trans girls are excluded from playing sports alongside their friends, and are made to feel "other" yet again. It also is a form of forced outing. Also, these laws don't include your "if you transition post-puberty" - they're blanket bans.
And no - the trans women who want to compete like any other woman did not damage anything - the conservatives who wanted a way into campaigning on anti-trans rhetoric chose this as their gateway into it after their failure with bathroom bans (in north carolina, for example). And these trans women were just following the rules in place - why should they do anything else?
(I hope it's ok if I share my own writing here - I also link to many other writers in this essay)
https://www.celestefinally.com/p/the-sports-issue
So you want to pretend HRT is not effective in removing net "masculine" athletic advantage? On the basis of what facts do you think that is true?
The rules IOC once had in place for the Olympics for 18 years and which they sadly discarded should be re-adopted there and adopted generally. MtF athletes who never underwent any masculine puberty are eligible for women's categories without exception or quibbling. Those who have should be required to undergo up to 2 years of medically effective HRT before competing in women's categories. Those were once the rules, they should be again.
If MtF athletes have participation rates and abilities so little as on par with cisgender female athletes, there should be about 77 of Olympic medalists who are MtF. Instead there are zero. If their participation rate is so little as that in the NCAA now, there should be about 20. Instead there are zero. If so few as one participated and categorically have any masculine advantage, there must be at least 1. Instead there are zero.
No MtF athlete has ever even made a team slot competitively even at the highest levels of competition where any advantage should be most apparent.
The record of Lia Thomas proves MTF athletes have no advantage whatsoever after HRT, as even a MtF athlete rated in the top 10 nationally in their best events prior to HRT, falls in relative ranking in women's categories after HRT. The notable record Thomas set is already bested by a cisgender female athlete! She did not tie with Riley Gaines for 1st place, but for 5th!
Where is the evidence of unfair "masculine" net advantage surviving HRT!
Nice to see that 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 public officials still remember that appeasing fascists doesn't work.
It is imperative that all governments stand against trump’s racist programs - if everyone would join together to oppose these regressive rules trump and his minions could not win
They need a real life it just shows how sad they really are. Ohio will probably never be free form such things. Why must I have to do extra work to satisfy them?