40 Comments
founding

That tweet by Gender Critic though..... just...... ew.

Seriously.

EW.

Also, is it just me or is this movement spiralling out of the control of its creators. Legitimate feminists should be absolutely screaming about "gendered clothing" given how hard the original groups fought for their right to dress as they please and present as they please. And talentless hacks like Forstater should be crucified for their betrayal of their own by the population at large. I cannot see how the general populace can see these proclamations as anything but a joke, as it reads far too deep into just absurdist satire.

Although I do invite all GCs to debate and protest my choice of light, flowy dresses at their leisure. My responses will be on the forms of quips, japes, mockery, and (if necessary to defend myself from the violent assault these goons like to endorse) 115 grain jacketed hollow points.

Expand full comment

Thank you, this makes me feel better because I just got done screaming about "gendered clothing" and how STUPID AND SELF DEFEATING that is.

Expand full comment

Very good post. I really can't express how valuable Erin's site, here, is, and I feel sure we all agree.

Expand full comment

I am old enough to remember (the 60s) when my Midwest school forced girls to wear either dresses or skirts. Even in freezing weather, we were not allowed to wear pants, but eventually, due to pressure from the moms, they let us wear pants underneath that had to be taken off once we were in the school bldg. It was absolutely ridiculous then, and it's even more ridiculous now. I will never give in to these conservative fascists. I'll wear what I please and encourage others to do so. I will not go back!

Expand full comment

I think any time someone proclaims something about "biological" clothing, or a "biological male" invading womens' spaces, etc. they should be grilled on what exactly they mean by "biological". Do they mean which letters 2 of their chromosomes spell out? Which sex-related genes are switched on? Whether the person can get pregnant or impregnate someone? Whether the person has a vagina or a penis (regardless of whether they're fertile or not)? Whether the person's cells have been existing in an estrogen-dominant hormone environment or a testosterone-dominant one, and if so, for how long?

Everyone has a different intuitive sense of what "biological" likely means in these laws, but calling them on that would be really fun to watch as everyone defines the term differently in their own minds.

Expand full comment

What happened to 'freedom'!? Does anyone actually care what other people wear!? Just talk about someone else's bad fashion choices behind their backs like the gods intended and move on! Ahhhh!

Expand full comment
founding

Don’t underestimate how much these people hate freedom. Or how large the authoritarian minority is that has *always* hated freedom, and always will.

Expand full comment

And, when a person AFAB lives with micromastia after puberty, will biological standards punish them for not wearing a bra? When an intersex teenager AFAB goes through puberty more typically associated with AMAB kids, develops a full beard and self-identifies as male, are they still confined to girls' restrooms and sports, based on the birth certificate?

Will boys' and girls' PE changing spaces also be inspecting grounds to ensure that small silky garments and bulkier cotton boxer briefs appear in the biologically appropriate rooms?

Hair is a key component of gender-based dress codes. An Black teen is being suspended by his school for wearing locs tightly bound to his scalp, against the policy that guys' hair length must be judged by it being unfurled. But, how far is that from forcing girls living with alopecia, chemotherapy or a freely chosen crew cut to wear flowing wigs?

Expand full comment

Why don't they just go ahead and have us all sew patches with symbols onto our existing clothing? Imagine how much cheaper that would be -_-

Expand full comment

That's just what I was thinking. Maybe a T sewn on to our clothes? Then the "police" will be able to identify us as watch us so we don't do anything illegal.

Expand full comment

I admit that my personal interest in trans women has been a big factor in my interest in the political issue - but that's a happy coincidence, because I'd have to be kidding myself not to see the danger, today, with the anti-trans stuff, it's the beginning of the end of "freedom", if we ever had it. What we are seeing with this struggle truly is about the whole of the LGBTQ community, and ultimately any person who wants an egalitarian society. They've put the target on trans people (conveniently, because of their small numbers and vulnerability - it's such cowardice, what they're trying to do, but I digress), so I'm jumping in between, as it were.

Expand full comment

"rising visibility of transgender people"

Our visibility is only rising because these bigots keep putting us under a microscope. They could, idk, leave us alone maybe

Expand full comment

I love wearing my biological polyester blend tanktop! Very biological! 🥲😭

Expand full comment
founding

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths these anti-trans people will go to take away rights, oppress and discriminate not only trans people but anyone else to accomplish their goals. Their wish to get rid of rights to wear what people want is a both a wish to return to mid 20th century and authoritarian control reminiscent of the fascism of the 30's where uniforms were de rigor so people could identify who was ok and who was not. It seems to me this is based on their fear and wish to infect everyone else with it. Gilead comes to mind as well.

Expand full comment

Biological clothing? If anything the male anatomy calls for skirts and dresses (as they wore throughout history) to make room for their external parts. But since clothing has no gender (nor sex), this is yet another dangerous effort by bigots to marginalize anyone who is not a cishet right winger.

Expand full comment

This is the most un-American shit ever. The ex-party of small government getting increasingly litigious on what citizens are allowed to wear. I'm as far on the "female" side of the spectrum as one can conceivably get and if they come for my yoga pants I will react not dissimilarly to a lead-poisoned 2nd amendment lunatic!

This fake feminism is just so unbelievably wrong-headed and I can see how it's effective but my gods is it self defeating. I'm increasingly convinced that one of the biggest reasons they hate trans people so much specifically is because in a truly equal society, why would transitioning be a problem? Cis women and LGBTQ+ people are natural allies, but the fascists sure are freaking sneaky.

Apologies, hit a nerve. (Literally, my yoga pants make it a ton easier to walk with my arthritis.)

Expand full comment

"Gender Critical" TERFs calling themselves feminists is like the Nazis calling themselves socialists.

Expand full comment
Sep 22, 2023·edited Sep 22, 2023

Or like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea calling themselves a democratic people's republic. Just saying it makes it true, right?

Expand full comment
founding

And remember these are the opponents of self-id. They assume that because *they* are pathologically deceitful about who and what they are, trans people must be lying too.

Expand full comment
founding

They sound like unamerican anti-freedom types

Expand full comment

Quite a few prominent trans-hating activists would struggle to meet the ‘biological clothing’ requirement. They would also claim an opt-out from the trad wife crank views. Except they can’t - authoritarianism, bigotry and sex & gender conformity is all part of their schtick.

Expand full comment
founding

The problem is those schools that ONLY single out Joe wanting to be called Joely for notifications.... but Robert wanting to be called Bob is fine without notification. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Maybe CIS-folks NEED to feel the hurt too w/dress codes etc in order to feel the pain. So let’s get ALL people pissed about this.

Expand full comment

I apologize in advance for the crudeness of what I'm about to say, but JFC those two women, leading this seminar, might be cisgender, but they must be jealous of the genuine beauty of trans women, the beauty coming from inside one's being. It's not the suit, it's how one wears it - these ladies' bodies are perfectly fine, but can you imagine being intimate with them, the people inside those frames? Eek. TERFs are un-sexy.

Expand full comment

I'm pan and when it comes to attraction I have a whole different set of criteria that really doesn't have anything to do with 'biological gender' (it gets me in trouble sometimes, I've had to learn how gender matters). It's fundamentally unattractive to be a self-righteous, judgemental idiot.

Expand full comment

You said it best. I find a unique attraction to trans women, in myself, and yet even a cis man, who had the right personality, might conceivably be a partner for me, I'm more hetero but there are some people who are just that appealing. So who could say for sure.

Expand full comment
Sep 22, 2023·edited Sep 22, 2023

The U.K. continues to be the U.S. test lab for new, awful ways to attack and demean trans people.

Expand full comment

Looks like two trolls have escaped from Hogwarts.

Expand full comment

LOL, yeah such pleasant folks, huh. And they feel so justified in their antiquated views.

Expand full comment

Along these guidelines the child wearing a siblings hand me down jacket that’s *gasp* pink when a boy wears it. The family had to repurpose or maybe that jacket was in the wash but now schools want to make that an issue. It’s an inexcusable yet laughable leap backwards for woman’s rights. Sorry ladies, we better wear only skirts for life, then by comparison men can never wear speedo’s because it resembles bikini bottoms? Sunglasses are obviously illegal because GOD forbid gender neutral, better start analyzing the color wheel in the pink/blue hard lined realm of conservative lunacy.... Like wtf

Expand full comment