The wildest part of this is the vast majority of fencers in the US regularly compete co-ed anyway. I belong to two different sword combat leagues and more than half my opponents are men, the rest are an even mix of trans and cis women.
Wouldn’t that be like the sun bursting through storm clouds and a huge rainbow flowing across the sky for whole world to see.
I wish that person who is so protected from the law would be prosecuted right out of his house in DC and into one of his illegal “holding facilities.” Once there he should never again have access to the internet.
I am suffering from Donald-Hate.
This article completely refutes all the reasoning behind the so called “protections.”
I hate to say this, but I think it's time we start calling the transphobes' gender into question and forcing them to undergo the same invasive "testing" they advocate for
This will just unnecessarily harm even more women, and won't achieve much. Trump et al don't care about protecting cis women's rights except when it's convenient for them.
Actually, the issue of women regularly finding out they were intersex is what caused the end of sex testing the last time it was important and it could do the same here
Honestly, nobody cares about trans people. It's only when unintended consequences cause straight people to suffer that anyone cares.
Similarly, just consider the history of the Salem witch trials. When a small circle of teenage sociopathic shits made their first few accusations of witchcraft, the villagers were responsive - and tried and killed a lot of women and men the little miscreants fingered. But when the kids kept doing it, fingering more and more people they didn't like, then fear spread that ANY person could be next to be tried and executed. Eventually the trials stopped, and the governor pardoned those who had been accused.
We must stay active and vigilant, so that as in the past, history repeats itself in the trial side as well. Trump and all the writers and supporters of Project 2025 need to face our version of the Nuremberg Trials. Fascism must fall by our non-violent means. Vote, make sure your neighbor votes. Protest. Speak. Use your gifts. Don't give up hope. Don't give up.
Where are the people who used to want the United States, their country, to have fair and equal rights for the humans living here?
I’m 68. Fell in love with the idea that standing up for things that were clearly WRONG could affect policies at a very young age.
I believed that public pressure and voting could sway politics and create the changes that the Conservative Party historically fears and fights tooth and nail to block.
They’ve warped so much in this country with the degradation of the laws restricting money buying elections and politicians.
The few with so many billions living their completely hypocritical power hungry lives, hiding behind fantastical rewrites of the present, past and future, using their private media outlets to warp all aspects of integrity, responsibility, and accountability have created a country I don’t recognize.
My marching, sign carrying, standing up and screaming from the rooftops is simply not seen or heard by anyone who could have once upon a time, gotten through to the “other side.” Nor is it cared about by the senators and representatives that once believed they needed to listen to the people to have their backs and to get their votes.
The media is failing decency and truth. How far will this go? How can this be stopped?
It was really heartbreaking to get the email from USA Climbing that said they were going to comply with this USOPC ban too. What a statement it would have made to see these organizations refuse to comply with this ridiculous EO.
USBC did the same thing back in February. They are the US governing body for bowling and are also an IOC governing body as they have hopes of being an Olympic sport. I assumed this would end any chance of bowling getting admitted, but if other sports already in get away with it, I don’t know what to say. The IOC could still ban the US from competing in any sport where the governing body does not follow IOC rules, but that has yet to happen
Wouldn't that be something? I won't hold my breath for it, because they've rarely (if ever) taken that kind of principled stand in the past, but the IOC telling the US to fuck off until we get our shit together would be a 𝘸𝘰𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘶𝘭 turn of events.
Given the instability of the U.S. and the increasing danger to any and all who enter its ports, the IOC needs to move as quickly as possible to move the 2028 games to another country. Of course, by then, many of us may have had to flee the country as well.
"....it remains true that federal law supersedes the authority of an EO."
It may remain "true," but the reality that needs to be kept in mind when approaching this and related matters (and even apparently unrelated matters) is that there is no longer a federal law or constitutional provision that actually matters. SCOTUS gave POTUS effective immunity for anything he does that can plausibly be considered within the realm of his official business, and that means he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and its up to others to try to stop him, with SCOTUS as the final arbiter. We, the country, the world, are hostage to him and the people who have harnessed his sociopathy in the interest of a christian nationalist patriarchal revanchist fascist movement that is no longer waiting for a chance to strike but are positioned and moving in for the kill.
I try to keep a sense of humor...so, if President Donald Trump issued an Executive Order that mandated the creation of a new official Team USA flag required to include a photo of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein with the text "promoting safe competition environments for women", would the USOPC claim that “as a federally chartered organization, [they] have an obligation to comply with federal expectations.” ???
Beyond just impacting high-level competition, since NGB’s including USA fencing provide the insurance plans that member clubs utilize, this effectively bars any trans person who does not want to be misgendered from participating at any level of practice or training.
As an impacted individual, I am trying to figure out what to do in this situation. I have already started reaching out to some organizations and filing discrimination complaints with appropriate parties as best I can.
The wildest part of this is the vast majority of fencers in the US regularly compete co-ed anyway. I belong to two different sword combat leagues and more than half my opponents are men, the rest are an even mix of trans and cis women.
I hope it violates a law, and is prosecuted.
42 U.S.C. § 1983 & 18 U.S.C. § 242 for all carrying out such a ban, at least all without complaint!
Wouldn’t that be like the sun bursting through storm clouds and a huge rainbow flowing across the sky for whole world to see.
I wish that person who is so protected from the law would be prosecuted right out of his house in DC and into one of his illegal “holding facilities.” Once there he should never again have access to the internet.
I am suffering from Donald-Hate.
This article completely refutes all the reasoning behind the so called “protections.”
Thank you.
"This article completely refutes all the reasoning behind the so called “protections.”"
I actually don't believe it does. Our circumstances only show the degree to which personnel are policy. I believe who are personnel will change.
I hate to say this, but I think it's time we start calling the transphobes' gender into question and forcing them to undergo the same invasive "testing" they advocate for
I totally agree. We should demand that every female athlete, from K-12 to college to olympics be scrutinized, tested, etc.
I think it was in the mid 1990's that they were genetically testing Olympic athletes, and they stopped because there were too many surprises.
I think the drip, drip, drip of ended athletic careers would bring about a re-think about this trans exclusionary policy.
I have some history to catch up on…wasn’t aware.
This will just unnecessarily harm even more women, and won't achieve much. Trump et al don't care about protecting cis women's rights except when it's convenient for them.
Actually, the issue of women regularly finding out they were intersex is what caused the end of sex testing the last time it was important and it could do the same here
Honestly, nobody cares about trans people. It's only when unintended consequences cause straight people to suffer that anyone cares.
Similarly, just consider the history of the Salem witch trials. When a small circle of teenage sociopathic shits made their first few accusations of witchcraft, the villagers were responsive - and tried and killed a lot of women and men the little miscreants fingered. But when the kids kept doing it, fingering more and more people they didn't like, then fear spread that ANY person could be next to be tried and executed. Eventually the trials stopped, and the governor pardoned those who had been accused.
We must stay active and vigilant, so that as in the past, history repeats itself in the trial side as well. Trump and all the writers and supporters of Project 2025 need to face our version of the Nuremberg Trials. Fascism must fall by our non-violent means. Vote, make sure your neighbor votes. Protest. Speak. Use your gifts. Don't give up hope. Don't give up.
The pettiness and waste of taxpayer money is mindboggling.
Does anybody have the balls to stand up and be counted?
I’m so tired of hearing everybody just fold to these morons -will anybody stand up and be counted
Let’s go take a look at the House and the Senate.
Forget the Justice Department. Seems it’s lost.
Where are the people who used to want the United States, their country, to have fair and equal rights for the humans living here?
I’m 68. Fell in love with the idea that standing up for things that were clearly WRONG could affect policies at a very young age.
I believed that public pressure and voting could sway politics and create the changes that the Conservative Party historically fears and fights tooth and nail to block.
They’ve warped so much in this country with the degradation of the laws restricting money buying elections and politicians.
The few with so many billions living their completely hypocritical power hungry lives, hiding behind fantastical rewrites of the present, past and future, using their private media outlets to warp all aspects of integrity, responsibility, and accountability have created a country I don’t recognize.
My marching, sign carrying, standing up and screaming from the rooftops is simply not seen or heard by anyone who could have once upon a time, gotten through to the “other side.” Nor is it cared about by the senators and representatives that once believed they needed to listen to the people to have their backs and to get their votes.
The media is failing decency and truth. How far will this go? How can this be stopped?
I wish I new the answer
It was really heartbreaking to get the email from USA Climbing that said they were going to comply with this USOPC ban too. What a statement it would have made to see these organizations refuse to comply with this ridiculous EO.
USBC did the same thing back in February. They are the US governing body for bowling and are also an IOC governing body as they have hopes of being an Olympic sport. I assumed this would end any chance of bowling getting admitted, but if other sports already in get away with it, I don’t know what to say. The IOC could still ban the US from competing in any sport where the governing body does not follow IOC rules, but that has yet to happen
Wouldn't that be something? I won't hold my breath for it, because they've rarely (if ever) taken that kind of principled stand in the past, but the IOC telling the US to fuck off until we get our shit together would be a 𝘸𝘰𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘶𝘭 turn of events.
Given the instability of the U.S. and the increasing danger to any and all who enter its ports, the IOC needs to move as quickly as possible to move the 2028 games to another country. Of course, by then, many of us may have had to flee the country as well.
"....it remains true that federal law supersedes the authority of an EO."
It may remain "true," but the reality that needs to be kept in mind when approaching this and related matters (and even apparently unrelated matters) is that there is no longer a federal law or constitutional provision that actually matters. SCOTUS gave POTUS effective immunity for anything he does that can plausibly be considered within the realm of his official business, and that means he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and its up to others to try to stop him, with SCOTUS as the final arbiter. We, the country, the world, are hostage to him and the people who have harnessed his sociopathy in the interest of a christian nationalist patriarchal revanchist fascist movement that is no longer waiting for a chance to strike but are positioned and moving in for the kill.
I try to keep a sense of humor...so, if President Donald Trump issued an Executive Order that mandated the creation of a new official Team USA flag required to include a photo of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein with the text "promoting safe competition environments for women", would the USOPC claim that “as a federally chartered organization, [they] have an obligation to comply with federal expectations.” ???
Quislings- Quislings everywhere. Can't turn a single rock over without finding another nest of 𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴 anymore.
Beyond just impacting high-level competition, since NGB’s including USA fencing provide the insurance plans that member clubs utilize, this effectively bars any trans person who does not want to be misgendered from participating at any level of practice or training.
As an impacted individual, I am trying to figure out what to do in this situation. I have already started reaching out to some organizations and filing discrimination complaints with appropriate parties as best I can.
ACLU! HRC! Please call
Oh, I’ve called & emailed several places. No response yet from anywhere. Heck, HRC called me for donations after this occurred.
The bottom line is every place is flooded and one more monstrosity doesn’t move the needle. Those orgs are great, but stretched past their capacity.