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Jesse (They/Them/Theirs)'s avatar

It's really depressing living in the USA.

I really wished I can escape (especially from Florida as a Young Adult who's BIPOC LGBTQIA+) but not much I can do.

I am just losing hope being optimistic and just feeling very down on how US and other countries continue to hurt LGBTQIA+ individuals simply by being who they are. Just simply tired.

As usual thank you for reporting Erin and once again congratulations on being married to Zooey and hopefully y'all be able to unwind and able to take moments away from all the Anti LGBTQIA+ News/Bills being talked about to enjoy your time together as newlyweds and wives.

Everyone else please make sure y'all try to take care of yourself and mental health which I'm sure with all the Anti LGBTQIA+ rhetoric that we all are exhausted of being attacked for simply existing.

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Brenna's avatar

Jesse, I'm so sorry it's so rough. I was lucky to be able to get my trans child out of Florida. I wish I could help every young person who is longing to escape. You sound wise and strong--keep the faith and know there are folks fighting alongside you all over the country. Sending you long-distance mom hugs.

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Jesse (They/Them/Theirs)'s avatar

Thank you for your kind words, I really appreciate it Brenna. I hope you, your child and the rest of your family is able to stay safe as well.

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Renoa Protocolt's avatar

I can only hope that this is a repeat of gay rights in 2004 and we'll all be better at the end of this, but Trump and Bush are entirely different beasts. Still, I'm optimistic that we will win

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Talia Perkins's avatar

Social Conservatives.

When people show you who they are, believe them.

They believe transgender people do not really exist, but are mentally ill cisgender people. They don't believe it is even possible abuse someone who does not exist -- this means they think nothing they do to hurt us can be any crime.

Remember, Stonewall was a riot -- and these days police shoot first and ask questions (of themeselves) never.

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Renoa Protocolt's avatar

They did that during stonewall too

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Talia Perkins's avatar

I'm seeing no record of anyone being shot or killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots#Riots

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Renoa Protocolt's avatar

I'm doubtful the police have changed much from stonewall, is my saying, it's miraculous nobody was

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Talia Perkins's avatar

Actually they have. Where once the first priority was at least theoretically keeping the public peace -- it is now firstly that every officer is uninjured no matter what, or is avenged, and secondly that the design for society whoever is signing their wants is enforced. Keeping the public peace isn't even on the radar.

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Renoa Protocolt's avatar

Agree to disagree, I personally believe the police have always been an enforcer of the ruling class and never care about keeping the peace. Look up the 1985 MOVE bombing.

I don't think this warrants a discussion though, stay safe out there.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

History did not start in 1985. Police responses within the Overton window have changed, and this agenda is an attempt to change where that window is.

"I don't think this warrants a discussion though" <-- I won't respond if you bring it up no further.

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Sarah F's avatar

They SAY we don't exist, but it's impossible to know what they really believe. I personally suspect they know better.

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Diana Maurer's avatar

The House Rule essentially fast tracks this opening salvo against transgender people. The details such as defining "biological sex" will play out in the eventual bill itself. A couple things to keep an eye on: 1) the extent to which sports bans also apply to club and intramural sports, and 2) the specific span of the bill--which could extend well beyond just banning participation in sports.

According to the NCAA website: "Although it is the application of Title IX to athletics that has gained the greatest public visibility, the law applies to every single aspect of education, including course offerings, counseling and counseling materials, financial assistance, student health and insurance benefits and/or other services, housing, marital and parental status of students, physical education and athletics, education programs and activities, and employment."

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Aeliana Nicole's avatar

It’s time for EVERY trans man in the DC area to go start using the bathrooms these republican women use. EVERY hour of EVERYDAY a trans man MUST be in that bathrooms

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Miriam's avatar

Here’s hoping republicans will spend four years squabbling about petty power issues and forget all about us.

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Jayna Sheats's avatar

I just saw the story on Politico, via Yahoo. The comments on Yahoo (which tend to come from a strongly conservative contingent most of the time) were nearly unanimous in deploring the attention being given to transgender issues rather than the economic ones that (sadly, as it was so misplaced) put DJT and the Republican party in office. These people are far from being our advocates or allies, but I predict that they will punish the politicians like Nancy Grace and her ilk as soon as they can.

In the meantime, many trans people will be hurt, some severely.

Our only option is, like Erin and Zoey (and Sarah McBride, and so many others), to fight as vigorously as each of us can; with whatever voice and power we have.

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Kai's avatar

Republicans have no interest in helping their constituents.

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Shirley Gauthier she/her's avatar

I am questioning whether the Democrats have any interest in their constituents.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

To be fair, the most sick of them think this is helping them.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

"Notably, the bill does not define “biological sex.”"

They dare not even try defining that -- the only definition facts support say transgender people are who we say we are, and every definition they have tried is falsified by one honestly incontrovertible biological fact, or many of them. BTW, Johnson, the genetics and apparent reproductive capabilites of people with de la Chapelle and CAIS are at odds with each other -- what are you proposing to do to them?

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Michelle Eckert's avatar

yep they forget about the "small insignificant populous" of those with DSD/Intersex. They will of course label me male but I am 46XX,47XXY mosaic

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Sarah F's avatar

I see a lot of language in bills to the effect of biological sex being the manner in which one's body is organized to produce eggs or sperm or one's genetic status as XX or XY or the sex one was assigned at birth, as reflected on the birth certificate. Ultimately it seems to default to the original birth certificate. I'm sure that's how they'll define it in federal legislation.

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Michelle Paquette's avatar

So these fine political leaders think the top, most urgent, and most important priority they can have is to protect the rest of the NCAA players from the frightening and powerful 0.008% who happen to be transgender.

Trans folks are just too darn strong.

Meanwhile, over in the Executive-to-be branch, they plan to ban all transgender persons from military service, because of course trans folks are just too darn weak.

Uh huh.

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

My greatest concern is how many transgender Americans will be left alive after the Republicans finish with us?

I don't think everyone is going to survive what's ALREADY on deck in terms of legalized and mandated discrimination, legalized violence, economic insecurity, lack of accessible or affordable healthcare and institutionalized inequity.

I think our suicides will spike, I think many will re-closet, many will emigrate, and many will go to prison where they will be forcibly detransitioned and killed.

That's if no bills WORSE than those currently in process are passed.

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Sarah F's avatar

I could be wrong, but I think the scenario of going to prison has some difficult hurdles. (And I'm just trying to throw some optimism your way.) First, there has to be a law that defines us as obscene or pornographic (per the Project 2025 plan), but that cannot currently pass without a Senate supermajority. And even if it did pass, it would have to stand up to SCOTUS challenge on First Amendment grounds (which, considering this court, it MIGHT). But that would only make us prosecutable under existing obscenity laws, which exist at state and local levels. Any state could write its obscenity laws specifically to exclude trans people just existing as trans people, so we might still have safe states where we can live and not get imprisoned for existing. None of this prevents Congress from passing a federal obscenity law, of course, but there is still the requirement of a Senate supermajority.

Perhaps the bigger wild card is our documentation and the bill that Trump wants to pass that would rule that our legal sex is what was given to us by the doctor who delivered us. This could leave us exposed to fraud accusations. I honestly don't know how that would play out. But again, a Senate supermajority would be required to pass such a law.

I am looking towards the midterm elections optimistically. The Senate electoral map is going to be very tough for Republicans, both that year and in 2028. There is the possibility of gaining Senate control in 2026 and perhaps even a supermajority in 2028, if there is enough backlash to the new emperor having no clothes - failed promises, wrecked economy, etc. - and, of course, if we still have a normally functioning democracy.

So I'm not giving up hope. I am, however, going abroad for several months to watch safely from afar. I'm somewhat optimistic I'll be able to return semi-safely.

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

Or the Trump administration could order his menagerie-cum-grotesquerie cabinet of Bond supervillain billionaires, unhinged anti-LGBTQ Internet trolls, and goose-stepping white supremacists to apply Trans=obscenity and Transgender=pedophile language to federal administrative agency guidelines and enforce it until the courts say otherwise...but with the MAGA court packing, court venue cherry picking, and an unrestrained GOPSCOTUS, we cannot expect salvation by injunctions, stays, and enjoinment.

Or the Trump administration could simply use the archaic language of the Comstock Law to empower federal law enforcement to unleash a rain of terror upon LGBTQ people; there's no downside for Republicans at this time, especially when they focus on transgender Americans.

Or we could remember that this administration has no intention of ruling by consent of the governed, due process, rule of law, by the federal administrative rules process, or governing by any restraints whatsoever.

We are living in the new order, a post democracy America, and in that world we have RIGHT NOW all the ingredients for genocide. I specifically refer to the folks who voted for Trump who firmly yet simultaneously believe that we should not exist and therefore Trump and his allies are entitled to do to us whatever they wish, and YET, when they actually do so, and begin a more rapid genocide process than the current slo mo genocide of forced detransition and erasure, they will REFUSE to believe that we are indeed being hunted and eradicated just as the citizens of the Reich chose to believe that the acts of their government against targeted minorities for years were incidental to the Shoah and that they themselves were NOT guilty.

All the elements for Trans/LGBTQ genocide ALREADY exist. Just look at the enhancement of police powers in every state and by multiple recent federal circuit and GOPSCOTUS rulings. Look at how technology has been utilized with the incarceral industrial surveillance state against our Black and Brown siblings. Look at the current excitement and glee for the deportation of 12 million people, which will result in the separation of hundreds of thousands of millions of family members and deaths of tens of thousands of hundreds of thousands...and no one is standing with them. It ABSOLUTELY can happen to us, and not as a distant future hypothetical.

WE 21st century Americans have learned from history and we know better... don't we?

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Sarah F's avatar

(sigh) I don't disagree with anything you've said or even for a moment discount the possibilities you've raised. All of these things CAN happen. I'm simply trying to point out where there are rays of hope. Without hope and some vision of a future in which we are not eradicated (some direction that we can work towards), all we can do is to curl up in a ball and wait for the jackboot MAGAnazi thugs to haul us away. And that would guarantee our demise.

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

Also, I regret I could give your words but one heart.

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

Sarah, I appreciate your efforts, please don't think I discount or ignore them. When I write dystopically I'm writing for our vanishing allies and for the majority who see our existence as one argument amongst many competing for the dominant narrative. I do not think most Americans understand who we are, or care, or even care to know, and I'm trying to save them from one day being in the embarrassing position of saying "but we never knew! We thought all the Trans and LGBTQ people had been resettled in work camps and punitive day spas! We didn't know the MAGAs were imprisoning and eradicating them, even though MAGAs have been loudly and publicly declaring they'll totally eliminate transgender Americans since 2021! In Project 2025 they talk about eliminating us by Xmas 2025 or 2026!But somehow WE didn't KNOW! We wondered why the smoke from the crematoria smelled like pulled pork burnt ends! BUT HOW COULD WE HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS HAPPENING?"

I want to make sure they know the crimes they will be guilty of by inaction or apathy, the crimes against us committed in the name of the American people.

They will know.

I know you are writing for US, and for our rapidly shrinking allies (Dems 2022: Trans lives matter!" Dems 2024: "Trans who?").

Please don't stop.

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Sarah F's avatar

Thanks, Jaimie. I, too, speak loudly and concretely to the uninitiated with regard to all the genocidal horrors these puritanical freaks have in store for us, so I understand what you are trying to do. However, I think the audience on this list is MOSTLY trans, so I use a more restrained tone here. I think we're all taking this stuff pretty seriously and just need to share good information. ;-)

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Celeste's avatar

"Any state could write its obscenity laws specifically to exclude trans people just existing as trans people"

There are states already trying to do that. West VA last year for example. It didn't pass hough. .

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Cam's avatar

Between this and Nancy Mace’s crusade for the congressional bathrooms I see the GOP is making quick work of their “economic anxiety mandate”. I’m sure once the trans population is subdued those egg prices are gonna come crashing through the floor.

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Rachel Muir's avatar

Perhaps what I find most disturbing in the current toxic environment is that politicians or publications that should be allies to the LGBTQ+ community are, at best, hedging their bets by not talking about transgender rights at all or suggesting that compromise and "moderation" should be the progressive approach. For example, the progressive magazine and respected Atlantic magazine has published a long list of articles ranging from the "just asking questions" brand of prejudice to outright transphobic content. Helen Lewis, a veteran of the British TERF wars, and an assistant editor, turns out some kind of anti-trans article about every month in the magazine. Propaganda works, especially on a topic that few people are knowlegeable. Responding to this campaign of hatred is hard and for some, risky. And there is no social pressure greater in our society than the pressure to conform to rigid gender behaviors. It is pervasive from the moment a child is born. People have to understand that for a young person to swim against that tide is an action of strong conviction -- and bravery. Two things; support people like Erin who is doing the hard work to education the community and the public. Second, enlist allies in every community; churches, local government, and lobby at the state and local level. Finally, let publishers, beginning with local media, know that transgender lives matter. And, I just canceled my subscription to The Atlantic and the Washington Post, and left Twitter for Bluesky -- and I let them know why. Small steps, yes, but they add up.

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Ivee Quinn's avatar

Okies…so let’s use existing laws against them. Gender Dysphoria has been legally ruled to be a different matter than gender identity disorders of the previous DSM language. The ADA recognizes gender dysphoria as a disability…therefore none of what they are doing is legal when it comes to anyone with the disability, and also wouldn’t the limitations of restrooms be a form of discrimination as based on past legal precedent based on segregation of the past? Therefore to use that then the discrimination of gender use in restrooms is also covered in a workplace as ruled by SCOTUS already. Thus everything that is being done is illegal and unconstitutional…I sense a theme…

YLNMLATO & YMMV.

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Talia Perkins's avatar

The ADA is a law, they can say this overwrites it.

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Ivee Quinn's avatar

They can, and then it goes from there where the Congress has now shown they will take away disability rights…😈

I truly hope they don’t have an entire generation of disabled folks getting riled up about the potential losses of their own disability coverages…

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Dee E Dressler's avatar

People with disabilities have been a powerful voice in our country. Sit-ins in the halls of congress, people crawling up the steps to the capital, strong voices and strong actions. We couldn't do better than to team up with them.

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Ivee Quinn's avatar

As a 100% disabled veteran I couldn’t agree more…😉

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Ryder's avatar

The problem with conservatives is that they’re inherently dishonest people to their core. They are lying all the time even to themselves. They say they voted for Trump for economic reasons but it’s not true.

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Anna P's avatar

I can't breathe

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Dana's avatar

Anna, a lot of us feel that way. Which is why we do need to breathe, pay less attention to media, do self care, support, celebrate and love each other until this wave of hate goes away hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Jessica Tymczak's avatar

I don't see that what they wrote is even remotely legal. Exactly what would this mean if you were born XXY, XY with antigen insensitivity, or the enumerable other variations that happen. How is this not blatant discrimination? This Is Nuts, absolutely Nuts, and driven by nothing but hate

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Jaimie Hileman's avatar

Remember, the GOP doesn't care who it hurts because cruelty and harm ARE the point.

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