Fellow Georgian, and same here! That said, if it's passed, they'll have to find a way to enforce it. Unfortunately, they will be able to among populations with little autonomy (Ex. students, those who are incarcerated, etc.). Of course, it is our responsibility to fight for those most at risk, but it's also our responsibility to use whatever privilege we have to not comply in the event this becomes a law. Make them make us.
Carl Jung once said, “The privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are.”
I can’t understand how people living in a nation built upon independence, justice, freedom and individual liberty stand silently by as this legislative persecution of citizens labeled Transgender by the medical community continues.
No matter how anyone labels themselves or others, we are all entitled to live under the same laws regardless of our race, or sex.
Please, if you haven’t done so already; contact your local legislative representatives and let your voice be heard to put a stop to this.
Skrmetti may or may not be a clear signal. They could make a very broad ruling with dicta which invalidates all of this nonsense. They could make a very narrow one which safeguards TN youth without any precedential value. They could make a very narrow one which permits the abuse of TN youth without any broader scope or settling any other concern. They could make a very broad decision which indicates they view it is within the scope of state/national power to simply declare us all to be mentally ill cisgender people who can be rounded up and incarcerated, "for our own and the public good".
We don't know. But if it is that last, it's definitely "GO!" time.
Thank you so much for spreading the word. All bets are off here in Ga this year and it’s all due to back door dealing and Christian nationalist politicking.
Ah, so they named it after that rotten piece of trash Riley Gaines. It's fitting that a truly evil piece of legislation is named for a truly evil person.
One of the more disturbing things I've noted in the last year or so is Republicans reviving "separate but equal" language. Not really a shock since they are the white supremacist's party of choice for a reason, but still unsettling that they are using something historically tied to segregation. Don't think they'll reserve it just for trans people in the future either.
Thank Goddess I no longer live in that awful state. Hopefully I never have to set foot there or in any Southern state ever again. I will never cease to despise the culture there for the ways in which in it poisoned me and so many others.
Section 5-4 and, 5-5 of this bill... Are they making a registry? It's saying for use of tracking sex at birth for organ donors through the DMV but like... That's clearly going to be used for other purposes despite the "shall not".
Georgia is on my boycott list, but honestly, most Midwestern, Western, and slave states were already on my list. I don't knowingly buy products from there, travel there, or if possible, do business with companies in those states.
Every day is February 28th.
As an Illinoisan, if Trans people are banned from air travel by social security account gender marker mismatch red flags and not permitted to board planes, I'm kinda stuck in Illinois. Fortunately, we have a vast state full of natural beauty, a good economy, explicit rights enshrined in legislation, the third largest city, and good education and infrastructure paid for with our admittedly high taxes but you get what you pay for. I like having safe airports, ports, bridges, railroads, and highways. I like having schools that aren't infested with rats like Tennessee or with the rofds falling in like Alabama. I guess us liberals are just weird that way, wanting our schools to be safe. Illinois has some of the strictist gun laws in the country, it's wonderful, it makes the ammosexuals move to Missouri and Kentucky.
I can live without the rest of America... America has certainly decided it can live without me or TGE Americans like me. And we have a governor who won't permit the federal government to bully us. If Trump cuts off federal funding, our state will simply halt all federal tax payments to DC.
Illinois like most blue states sends more to DC than we receive in federal spending. Most red states except Texas are taker states, receiving more federal spending than they remit in federal taxes. Eff 'em.
What's Trump going to do?
Invade?
Send Russia after us?
Screw 'em.
JD Pritzker is a mensch and he won't allow Trump to destroy our blue island, separated from red states by Lake Michigan, the Mississippi River, the Ohio River, and a wall of literacy.
Blue states need to go their own way; "America morituri est".
I want him to run for the White House in '28. Some Democrats oppose Pritzker running because with the exception of Trump who lied brazenly about it, no one with clinical obesity has won the White House since the 1908 election. I think that's a load of ableist CRAP. With 40.3% of Americans obese, over a hundred million, if only those able to vote did so for Pritzker, it would be the single largest vote total in all of US history, bigger than Obama in '08, Biden in '20.
I regret their use of that phrase. "Consensus" means nothing -- a single fact contrary consensus invalidates consensus. The relevant thing is there are no facts invalidating the current model for the existence of transgender people or the idea there is any better treatment approach then the WPATH standards of care/DSM5/ICD11.
Of particular note, ICD11 removes the classification from mental health altogether and places in under sexual health, F.64 being dropped and adopting HA60.
Republicans claim the ICD-11 revisions are irrelevant as they are published by WHO which is all sneaky godless communists that want to make grandpa wear a dress and grandma sport a barbed wire strap-on and that's why Trump had to pull the United States out of the World Health Organization to stop the death panels, or some other equally incomprehensible moronic marmotshit.
These Georgia peckermelons are not persuadable, the fix is in, all these bills are written by a consortium of highly paid soul sucking cannibalistic ghouls from ALEC, the Heritage Foundation, Pacific Justice Institute, Focus on the Family, Seven Mountains, The Federalist Society, the SBC, and the US Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops. The only more evil ratshagging stumpfracking wankers missing from this list of most heinous iniquity and vilest of raging appetites are Monty Burns, Jerry Falwell Sr.-may-he- continue-to-burn-in-hell, Thomas Hofeller, Darth Vader, Antonin Scalia, Heinrich Himmler, Rush Limbaugh (in limbo ironically, Hell wouldn't have him; standards), Henry Hyde, Vlad Tsepesh, Roy Moore, Nicolae Ceausescu the Vampire of Bucharest, and Mitch McConnell (I'm including him here even though as a pig-schtupping nosferatu bastard, he's just undead, not all-the-way-dead).
I mentioned this to my providers and suggested that they could use gender incongruence for my list of problems and diagnoses. Not F64. But I also mentioned that I simultaneously can experience both gender incongruence and gender dysphoria. Just because I'm transitioning and becoming increasingly satisfied with my life and with improved self-acceptance, that doesn't mean that gender dysphoria has completely disappeared. Further, I worry that removing this may affect my insurance eligibility and (legitimate) disability status. I'm not trying to game the system, but I don't want to be excluded and shut out either because they're calling it one thing or another.
Gender incongruence and gender dysphoria are the same thing. That is why the former is entirely substituted for the latter. The required improvement made is that it is moved out from under mental health as it were a mental illness -- instead it is recognized the stress of it can cause mental illness without root cause being any mental illness.
They likely use both sets of codes. Diagnosticians in the US prefer AMA/APA codes because those are the professional regulatory bodies, therefore use DSM-V R coding, but insurance companies prefer ICD codes, so benefits administration clerks must convert everything to ICD-11. Anything that doesn't easily translate, they just disallow, solving problems of coding incongruence by refusal to pay and pocketing the difference. It's their world and it's so vastly under regulated.
I am just trying to find the best coding for my situation and being trans. A person might say well let them handle it and they will figure it out. But a lot of providers are really clueless when it comes to trans care. My first encounter with a physician for hormones years back already had me down as a transgender male and a transsexual. And eventually I got the F64 after I saw a different provider. So I've had codes given to me that are completely outdated. My primary will probably go with whatever I tell him. With the changes in so many things now I want to make sure my records are correct and reflecting the best descriptions for moving ahead. I think the documentation process is important when somebody's medically transitioning the first couple years. They need the records correct.
Well, accurate coding is really necessary throughout all stages of gender transition.
But F64 is outdated, from the old GID diagnosis from the ICD-10.
The correct code for initiating treatment is most likely the ICD-11 HA60, Gender Incongruence of Adulthood (medical, under section DSD, "Differences of Sexual Development", which in the 11 is not psychologically stigmatizing and listed in medical, not a mental health diagnosis. I like that both the DSM-V TR and the ICD-11 have stopped housing the primary diagnoses for gender dysphoria in the psychological section, tagging it pathological and or disordered.
Here's the diagnostic description:
"Gender Incongruence of Adolescence and Adulthood is characterised by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual’s experienced gender and the assigned sex, which often leads to a desire to ‘transition’, in order to live and be accepted as a person of the experienced gender, through hormonal treatment, surgery or other health care services to make the individual’s body align, as much as desired and to the extent possible, with the experienced gender. The diagnosis cannot be assigned prior the onset of puberty. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnosis."
Well I'm going to try to get the ICD-11 CODES listed on my records. In Florida a lot of it's a moot point anyway. But I want my records accurate, so when I show them to providers such as surgeons for the future I have everything lined up. All right well I won't belabor this subject, but I wish they would sort it out and be clear/universal about prescriptions and codes. I also don't think gender dysphoria and gender incongruence are the same thing by the way. I have both and they are not the same thing. As for F-64, my anxiety stems from my transitioning progress being slowed and results not being satisfactory enough. Lots of worries about my Healthcare being threatened. Very legitimate fears. But I also just have an incongruence that can be characterized as discomfort and dissatisfaction with my physical body being at odds with my self-image and gender identity. Troubling but not necessarily upsetting all the time and to the level of a crisis. Anyway I'm going in circles so enough already.
Erin: "It also enshrines 'father' as 'mother' biological, immutable terms" should be "It also enshrines 'father' and 'mother' in biological, immutable terms."
I was just highlighting and cheerleading what I understood to be your premise, no critique intended. Well, yes, but only towards the professional transphobes and avowed GOPMAGA rapists.
The bill defines father as parent of male sex. And mother as parent of female sex and then it defines sex as whether you are born with organs capable of producing eggs or sperm : /
This is true. But when I was an infant I was not producing sperm. And when I get genital surgery in the near future I won't be producing it either. As well as eggs, since I don't have ovaries and I won't have them. But this silly game of tying us to whatever happened when we were born is a cheap and tricky way of keeping us down. And out of public life and activities.
As a Georgia resident , this terrifies me and concerns me greatly if it passes
Fellow Georgian, and same here! That said, if it's passed, they'll have to find a way to enforce it. Unfortunately, they will be able to among populations with little autonomy (Ex. students, those who are incarcerated, etc.). Of course, it is our responsibility to fight for those most at risk, but it's also our responsibility to use whatever privilege we have to not comply in the event this becomes a law. Make them make us.
Agreed Harvey. Agreed.
Carl Jung once said, “The privilege of a lifetime is to become who you truly are.”
I can’t understand how people living in a nation built upon independence, justice, freedom and individual liberty stand silently by as this legislative persecution of citizens labeled Transgender by the medical community continues.
No matter how anyone labels themselves or others, we are all entitled to live under the same laws regardless of our race, or sex.
Please, if you haven’t done so already; contact your local legislative representatives and let your voice be heard to put a stop to this.
I live in Ga, kinda hoped things wouldn't come to this that quickly... Shit.
They feel empowered this year, unfortunately :(
I still have hope that the supreme court *may* not fuck us
Skrmetti may or may not be a clear signal. They could make a very broad ruling with dicta which invalidates all of this nonsense. They could make a very narrow one which safeguards TN youth without any precedential value. They could make a very narrow one which permits the abuse of TN youth without any broader scope or settling any other concern. They could make a very broad decision which indicates they view it is within the scope of state/national power to simply declare us all to be mentally ill cisgender people who can be rounded up and incarcerated, "for our own and the public good".
We don't know. But if it is that last, it's definitely "GO!" time.
And at that for whatever.
I agree, all those things are possible. I think the two narrow ruling scenarios are by far the most likely.
Thank you so much for spreading the word. All bets are off here in Ga this year and it’s all due to back door dealing and Christian nationalist politicking.
Good to know how terrible of a state Georgia really is, I am ashamed to live here and to have been born in such a awful state.
Ah, so they named it after that rotten piece of trash Riley Gaines. It's fitting that a truly evil piece of legislation is named for a truly evil person.
One of the more disturbing things I've noted in the last year or so is Republicans reviving "separate but equal" language. Not really a shock since they are the white supremacist's party of choice for a reason, but still unsettling that they are using something historically tied to segregation. Don't think they'll reserve it just for trans people in the future either.
Thank Goddess I no longer live in that awful state. Hopefully I never have to set foot there or in any Southern state ever again. I will never cease to despise the culture there for the ways in which in it poisoned me and so many others.
Section 5-4 and, 5-5 of this bill... Are they making a registry? It's saying for use of tracking sex at birth for organ donors through the DMV but like... That's clearly going to be used for other purposes despite the "shall not".
Organ donation has occurred across gender lines since the beginning because sex is a very minor component of DNA
I guess my concern is that the registry they have for this can be compared against DMV records. One step closer to claiming fraud on government IDs.
And that they are changing it from gender to sex. Compare that against other public records and you have a list to target
All of this nonsense is Mein Kampf, Handmaids Tale and Idiocracy all wrapped into one.
Georgia is on my boycott list, but honestly, most Midwestern, Western, and slave states were already on my list. I don't knowingly buy products from there, travel there, or if possible, do business with companies in those states.
Every day is February 28th.
As an Illinoisan, if Trans people are banned from air travel by social security account gender marker mismatch red flags and not permitted to board planes, I'm kinda stuck in Illinois. Fortunately, we have a vast state full of natural beauty, a good economy, explicit rights enshrined in legislation, the third largest city, and good education and infrastructure paid for with our admittedly high taxes but you get what you pay for. I like having safe airports, ports, bridges, railroads, and highways. I like having schools that aren't infested with rats like Tennessee or with the rofds falling in like Alabama. I guess us liberals are just weird that way, wanting our schools to be safe. Illinois has some of the strictist gun laws in the country, it's wonderful, it makes the ammosexuals move to Missouri and Kentucky.
I can live without the rest of America... America has certainly decided it can live without me or TGE Americans like me. And we have a governor who won't permit the federal government to bully us. If Trump cuts off federal funding, our state will simply halt all federal tax payments to DC.
Illinois like most blue states sends more to DC than we receive in federal spending. Most red states except Texas are taker states, receiving more federal spending than they remit in federal taxes. Eff 'em.
What's Trump going to do?
Invade?
Send Russia after us?
Screw 'em.
JD Pritzker is a mensch and he won't allow Trump to destroy our blue island, separated from red states by Lake Michigan, the Mississippi River, the Ohio River, and a wall of literacy.
Blue states need to go their own way; "America morituri est".
Wisconsin gal here - J.B Pritzker is awesome!
I want him to run for the White House in '28. Some Democrats oppose Pritzker running because with the exception of Trump who lied brazenly about it, no one with clinical obesity has won the White House since the 1908 election. I think that's a load of ableist CRAP. With 40.3% of Americans obese, over a hundred million, if only those able to vote did so for Pritzker, it would be the single largest vote total in all of US history, bigger than Obama in '08, Biden in '20.
I agree. I would proudly vote for him!
Time to leave
"and it goes against scientific consensus"
I regret their use of that phrase. "Consensus" means nothing -- a single fact contrary consensus invalidates consensus. The relevant thing is there are no facts invalidating the current model for the existence of transgender people or the idea there is any better treatment approach then the WPATH standards of care/DSM5/ICD11.
Of particular note, ICD11 removes the classification from mental health altogether and places in under sexual health, F.64 being dropped and adopting HA60.
Republicans claim the ICD-11 revisions are irrelevant as they are published by WHO which is all sneaky godless communists that want to make grandpa wear a dress and grandma sport a barbed wire strap-on and that's why Trump had to pull the United States out of the World Health Organization to stop the death panels, or some other equally incomprehensible moronic marmotshit.
These Georgia peckermelons are not persuadable, the fix is in, all these bills are written by a consortium of highly paid soul sucking cannibalistic ghouls from ALEC, the Heritage Foundation, Pacific Justice Institute, Focus on the Family, Seven Mountains, The Federalist Society, the SBC, and the US Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops. The only more evil ratshagging stumpfracking wankers missing from this list of most heinous iniquity and vilest of raging appetites are Monty Burns, Jerry Falwell Sr.-may-he- continue-to-burn-in-hell, Thomas Hofeller, Darth Vader, Antonin Scalia, Heinrich Himmler, Rush Limbaugh (in limbo ironically, Hell wouldn't have him; standards), Henry Hyde, Vlad Tsepesh, Roy Moore, Nicolae Ceausescu the Vampire of Bucharest, and Mitch McConnell (I'm including him here even though as a pig-schtupping nosferatu bastard, he's just undead, not all-the-way-dead).
Please, don't insult marmots!
I mentioned this to my providers and suggested that they could use gender incongruence for my list of problems and diagnoses. Not F64. But I also mentioned that I simultaneously can experience both gender incongruence and gender dysphoria. Just because I'm transitioning and becoming increasingly satisfied with my life and with improved self-acceptance, that doesn't mean that gender dysphoria has completely disappeared. Further, I worry that removing this may affect my insurance eligibility and (legitimate) disability status. I'm not trying to game the system, but I don't want to be excluded and shut out either because they're calling it one thing or another.
Gender incongruence and gender dysphoria are the same thing. That is why the former is entirely substituted for the latter. The required improvement made is that it is moved out from under mental health as it were a mental illness -- instead it is recognized the stress of it can cause mental illness without root cause being any mental illness.
They likely use both sets of codes. Diagnosticians in the US prefer AMA/APA codes because those are the professional regulatory bodies, therefore use DSM-V R coding, but insurance companies prefer ICD codes, so benefits administration clerks must convert everything to ICD-11. Anything that doesn't easily translate, they just disallow, solving problems of coding incongruence by refusal to pay and pocketing the difference. It's their world and it's so vastly under regulated.
I am just trying to find the best coding for my situation and being trans. A person might say well let them handle it and they will figure it out. But a lot of providers are really clueless when it comes to trans care. My first encounter with a physician for hormones years back already had me down as a transgender male and a transsexual. And eventually I got the F64 after I saw a different provider. So I've had codes given to me that are completely outdated. My primary will probably go with whatever I tell him. With the changes in so many things now I want to make sure my records are correct and reflecting the best descriptions for moving ahead. I think the documentation process is important when somebody's medically transitioning the first couple years. They need the records correct.
Well, accurate coding is really necessary throughout all stages of gender transition.
But F64 is outdated, from the old GID diagnosis from the ICD-10.
The correct code for initiating treatment is most likely the ICD-11 HA60, Gender Incongruence of Adulthood (medical, under section DSD, "Differences of Sexual Development", which in the 11 is not psychologically stigmatizing and listed in medical, not a mental health diagnosis. I like that both the DSM-V TR and the ICD-11 have stopped housing the primary diagnoses for gender dysphoria in the psychological section, tagging it pathological and or disordered.
Here's the diagnostic description:
"Gender Incongruence of Adolescence and Adulthood is characterised by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual’s experienced gender and the assigned sex, which often leads to a desire to ‘transition’, in order to live and be accepted as a person of the experienced gender, through hormonal treatment, surgery or other health care services to make the individual’s body align, as much as desired and to the extent possible, with the experienced gender. The diagnosis cannot be assigned prior the onset of puberty. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnosis."
Well I'm going to try to get the ICD-11 CODES listed on my records. In Florida a lot of it's a moot point anyway. But I want my records accurate, so when I show them to providers such as surgeons for the future I have everything lined up. All right well I won't belabor this subject, but I wish they would sort it out and be clear/universal about prescriptions and codes. I also don't think gender dysphoria and gender incongruence are the same thing by the way. I have both and they are not the same thing. As for F-64, my anxiety stems from my transitioning progress being slowed and results not being satisfactory enough. Lots of worries about my Healthcare being threatened. Very legitimate fears. But I also just have an incongruence that can be characterized as discomfort and dissatisfaction with my physical body being at odds with my self-image and gender identity. Troubling but not necessarily upsetting all the time and to the level of a crisis. Anyway I'm going in circles so enough already.
Erin: "It also enshrines 'father' as 'mother' biological, immutable terms" should be "It also enshrines 'father' and 'mother' in biological, immutable terms."
Which is just silly, using social constructs as arbiters of biological essentialism. Assholes.
Oh, I was just pointing out an editing error. Some words apparently got mangled and omitted.
I was just highlighting and cheerleading what I understood to be your premise, no critique intended. Well, yes, but only towards the professional transphobes and avowed GOPMAGA rapists.
The Republican race to the bottom continues...
God bless our allies. May the odds be in their favor.
~It also enshrines “father” and “mother” as biological~
Could be a typo there.
The bill defines father as parent of male sex. And mother as parent of female sex and then it defines sex as whether you are born with organs capable of producing eggs or sperm : /
This is true. But when I was an infant I was not producing sperm. And when I get genital surgery in the near future I won't be producing it either. As well as eggs, since I don't have ovaries and I won't have them. But this silly game of tying us to whatever happened when we were born is a cheap and tricky way of keeping us down. And out of public life and activities.
You are right. They’ve got all sorts of legalese in there to try to cover all the bases. :(
Yes. I put the tildes in because what appeared in the post is not what as is rewrote it.
This is how it is in the post, "It also enshrines “father” as “mother” biological, immutable terms".
Yep. Thank you. I just wanted to go to the actual Bill to make sure. You are correct.