I'm so glad we sold everything and left and made sure the historic plantation home we sold to leave got leveled when it was sold instead of being refurbished into a civil war heritage museum for the state.
So, legitimate question - if we assume that conservatives are going to keep being on this idiotic transphobia train, is it beneficial to file your child's first birth certificate incorrectly and give them a unisex name? You'd be able to prove the correction was for "biological sex" if they turned out cis, and if they turned out to be trans there would be no record of a different sex.
I obviously hope this flames out and is a non-issue in the future, but it seems like an interesting if overly convoluted loophole.
This is an interesting idea. I’m in a situation with my 17-year-old; all
Documents match his chosen legal name... except his passport. This insight would have helped me in retrospect. But he’s going to college in Canada, so … hopefully they will help him somehow :/ Solidarity friends!
"You'd be able to prove the correction was for "biological sex" if they turned out cis..."
I would not assume that. They might get caught up in anti-trans policies in the meantime (or even afterward, if records of the old certificate are kept), and the strategy assumes that the "error" wouldn't be discovered until the point you know what the child's gender is.
Granted that trans kids are now discovering their gender, or at least that they are gender-nonconforming, at an earlier age on average —especially in affirming families— but you can't assume it will happen before puberty at least. There are also a proportion of trans people who only come out much later and I think that will continue to be the case.
Unisex name, yes. Birth certificate opposite to assigned sex? Very risky, *especially* in this political climate.
Thank you. Someday the bigoted morons who write and pass these bills, alleging they're backed by "science" and "biology," will be regarded with the same contempt and derision as Galileo's prison guards, the authors of Jim Crow laws, and the Nazis. The tragedy is that it's someday and not now.
I'm quite convinced that the potential for sex segregation is a feature, not a bug- after all, the same pack of Nazi jackasses want to re-establish "traditional" (read: patriarchal) gender roles just as much as they want to eradicate trans people. Laying the groundwork for full societal segregation based on sex (since they recognize no distinction between sex and gender) would be on their agenda anyway. Just another stepping stone on the path to Gilead.
Unfortunately, Alabama is at the forefront of states eager to roll back freedoms to a time when a brutal class system institutionalized hate. And cultural norms from a shameful time in our history are perpetuated by religion, law, and family values, and these are not victimless crimes. There need to be watchdog groups who hand out warning pamphlets at state lines against the hazards of innocent behavior acted without knowledge. It will serve to break our country into small fiefdoms, with wildly different laws and attitudes toward otherness. Frankly, we should have let these places secede. Personhood, and the violence that comes from different definitions of it, is not to be decided by the base prejudices of residents, and is simply nobody’s damn business.
How would letting "states eager to roll back freedoms" secede help the marginalized people in them? It's no kind of long-term solution, or even a short-term one.
Legal de-humanization of entire swaths of people is the most dangerous step towards genocide. It is not an accident, it is their goal. Trans people are their enemies, intersex people are valueless collateral damage in their game of eradication. We must ALL stop them on every level now, before nobody can.
This is so outrageous! Is there any way a judge could call out the unconstitutionality of this bill like the good judge in Montana did?? Thanks for keeping us informed!
I wrote a post a little while back quoting a modest amount of the pertinent scientific literature. A specification of "man" or "woman" that was actually not logically inconsistent would not only exclude millions of people who the authors probably hadn't meant to exclude - it would take multiple paragraphs to write, and ascertaining if it applied to any individual would take the intervention of a surgeon.
I appreciate the effort that went into this — but they're fascists. They *want* the chaos. They want the false positives and "transvestigations" of cis people, because that adds to the normalisation of transphobia. Intersex people are also targets for their hate (any exclusions they add to anti-trans bills for intersex people end up worsening the problem of nonconsensual surgery on infants, which I'm sure is deliberate).
Some are, for sure. The Nancy Maces and Marsha Blackburns (and yes, the JKRs also) cannot be changed, of course. The primary audience for book (which this is just a small excerpt of) is people who are on school boards, active parents who influence their boards, local athletic bodies, etc. etc.; aides to state legislators who are not the kind of people you've described; and journalists. I find myself always returned to believing there is an uncommitted middle that is not very large, but as long as we still have "majority rule," then they ultimately decide (sort of like those "swing states" for the national election).
I am active on LinkedIn (my efforts to be heard on any other social media platform are like shouting in outer space), and have had some good reactions there; I think it may have helped a few people. It's the best I know how to do, anyway. It certainly can't hurt.
These Alabamian lawmakers can take their SB 79 and shove it up their ass! motherfuckers want to erase for no reason but hate. ARGGGGGG! 😡 it’s not gonna happen
“Self-identifies as a documentary” - I cackled. Amazing line for a very bleak situation.
Like i needed another reason to not visit Alabama 🙄
I'm so glad we sold everything and left and made sure the historic plantation home we sold to leave got leveled when it was sold instead of being refurbished into a civil war heritage museum for the state.
Suck it Alabama.
When conservatives speak of science the whole world should duck.
"Determined at conception"? Indeed.
So, legitimate question - if we assume that conservatives are going to keep being on this idiotic transphobia train, is it beneficial to file your child's first birth certificate incorrectly and give them a unisex name? You'd be able to prove the correction was for "biological sex" if they turned out cis, and if they turned out to be trans there would be no record of a different sex.
I obviously hope this flames out and is a non-issue in the future, but it seems like an interesting if overly convoluted loophole.
This is an interesting idea. I’m in a situation with my 17-year-old; all
Documents match his chosen legal name... except his passport. This insight would have helped me in retrospect. But he’s going to college in Canada, so … hopefully they will help him somehow :/ Solidarity friends!
This seems like a risky strategy.
"You'd be able to prove the correction was for "biological sex" if they turned out cis..."
I would not assume that. They might get caught up in anti-trans policies in the meantime (or even afterward, if records of the old certificate are kept), and the strategy assumes that the "error" wouldn't be discovered until the point you know what the child's gender is.
Granted that trans kids are now discovering their gender, or at least that they are gender-nonconforming, at an earlier age on average —especially in affirming families— but you can't assume it will happen before puberty at least. There are also a proportion of trans people who only come out much later and I think that will continue to be the case.
Unisex name, yes. Birth certificate opposite to assigned sex? Very risky, *especially* in this political climate.
Thank you. Someday the bigoted morons who write and pass these bills, alleging they're backed by "science" and "biology," will be regarded with the same contempt and derision as Galileo's prison guards, the authors of Jim Crow laws, and the Nazis. The tragedy is that it's someday and not now.
I'm quite convinced that the potential for sex segregation is a feature, not a bug- after all, the same pack of Nazi jackasses want to re-establish "traditional" (read: patriarchal) gender roles just as much as they want to eradicate trans people. Laying the groundwork for full societal segregation based on sex (since they recognize no distinction between sex and gender) would be on their agenda anyway. Just another stepping stone on the path to Gilead.
Unfortunately, Alabama is at the forefront of states eager to roll back freedoms to a time when a brutal class system institutionalized hate. And cultural norms from a shameful time in our history are perpetuated by religion, law, and family values, and these are not victimless crimes. There need to be watchdog groups who hand out warning pamphlets at state lines against the hazards of innocent behavior acted without knowledge. It will serve to break our country into small fiefdoms, with wildly different laws and attitudes toward otherness. Frankly, we should have let these places secede. Personhood, and the violence that comes from different definitions of it, is not to be decided by the base prejudices of residents, and is simply nobody’s damn business.
I suppose we can start a war with them, like in 1861. Or help them move, but it’s the germ of an idea, not a solution
How would letting "states eager to roll back freedoms" secede help the marginalized people in them? It's no kind of long-term solution, or even a short-term one.
This is heinous. This is morally indefensible.
Would this allow the state government to require how private businesses operate? What about family restrooms
While I am not endorsing "Wendy's" fast food I know that they only put in family restrooms in the newly constructed business locally.
Legal de-humanization of entire swaths of people is the most dangerous step towards genocide. It is not an accident, it is their goal. Trans people are their enemies, intersex people are valueless collateral damage in their game of eradication. We must ALL stop them on every level now, before nobody can.
This is so outrageous! Is there any way a judge could call out the unconstitutionality of this bill like the good judge in Montana did?? Thanks for keeping us informed!
There must be a lawsuit for a judge to act on. Urge your ACLU, GLAAD, PFLAG, or whatever you choose chapter to file.(And offer a donation 😏)
The Trouble With White Women strikes again.
https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/kyla-schuller/the-trouble-with-white-women/9781645036883/?lens=bold-type-books
I wrote a post a little while back quoting a modest amount of the pertinent scientific literature. A specification of "man" or "woman" that was actually not logically inconsistent would not only exclude millions of people who the authors probably hadn't meant to exclude - it would take multiple paragraphs to write, and ascertaining if it applied to any individual would take the intervention of a surgeon.
https://jaynasheats.substack.com/p/chapter-2-what-is-a-woman
I appreciate the effort that went into this — but they're fascists. They *want* the chaos. They want the false positives and "transvestigations" of cis people, because that adds to the normalisation of transphobia. Intersex people are also targets for their hate (any exclusions they add to anti-trans bills for intersex people end up worsening the problem of nonconsensual surgery on infants, which I'm sure is deliberate).
Some are, for sure. The Nancy Maces and Marsha Blackburns (and yes, the JKRs also) cannot be changed, of course. The primary audience for book (which this is just a small excerpt of) is people who are on school boards, active parents who influence their boards, local athletic bodies, etc. etc.; aides to state legislators who are not the kind of people you've described; and journalists. I find myself always returned to believing there is an uncommitted middle that is not very large, but as long as we still have "majority rule," then they ultimately decide (sort of like those "swing states" for the national election).
I am active on LinkedIn (my efforts to be heard on any other social media platform are like shouting in outer space), and have had some good reactions there; I think it may have helped a few people. It's the best I know how to do, anyway. It certainly can't hurt.
These Alabamian lawmakers can take their SB 79 and shove it up their ass! motherfuckers want to erase for no reason but hate. ARGGGGGG! 😡 it’s not gonna happen
Insanity plain and simple. Not to mention bigotry, lack of understanding and segregation being reinstated