So wouldn’t an application of this ruling also be that students could be made fun of for any diagnosed medical condition (such as neurodivergence or others) and/or disability as well, as it is “biological truth”?
US federal courts honestly are pathetic as of late…they are not following legal logic at all. They’re just catering to conservative insanity.
Legally, then, how does the court draw a line around sexual harassment? There is not a huge distance between being allowed to jeer at someone else's weight, and being allowed to cat-call the girl in your class with the well-developed chest. Is "nice knockers" just an acknowledgment of "biological truth"?
The court's reasoning here seems remarkably ill-considered.
It's by design. Misogyny is baked into all of this culture war shit; has been from the beginning. If girls start getting harassed at greater rates because of this ruling, that's a feature, not a bug. It means fewer of those girls will go on to higher education, more of them will drop out as soon as they're able, and 𝘢𝘭𝘭 of them will know their proper place: under a man's boot.
Once again the conservative movement has placed an undue burden on the trans community as a whole and specifically on our children. To say that our kids can be bullied, insulted and allowed to have unnecessary mental issues is just beyond comprehension. I'll bet that these judges have no contact with the trans community and therefore no idea what it means to live their lives in constant threat. I would like to see these holy rollers sit down with these students and parents and learn about the harm that they are inflicting.
I read a lot of the decision. It's a lot to wade through, and is full of weird logic, seemingly using a Christian student's sincerely held beliefs as a basis for harassment. There are some dissenting judges on the court, who make similar arguments to Ketanji Brown Jackson's dissent in the shadow docket passport decision. It's unspeakably cruel to allow for the sort of bullying that will inevitably occur. Our courts, at every level, have been infected with right-wing Christians, who will use any argument they can think up to justify their preordained conclusions. Thank you for the coverage, Erin.
This along with the Supreme Court ruling on passports is just heartbreaking. I can’t believe in 2025 we have judges that are a so bigoted and mean. I am sad and angry at the same time.
The only words I have, as a lawyer, an educator and parent of two teenaged kids, is "what the actual fuck." I want to summon other, more erudite thoughts, but none seem to be coming to me at the moment.
Even if this federal court had ruled favorably, wouldn’t this have just gotten pushed to the supreme court, which as we saw from yesterday’s ruling, is just going to take the administration’s side no matter what legal logic they need to follow?
Things are now going to go even further downhill for trans people in the U.S. (both minors and adults), especially after yesterday’s calamity. What people don’t realize is that these negative decisions are never just about the specific issue covered in the decision. They embolden MAGA politicians and have very bad side effects in many other areas of life.
All of these sloppy, illogical appeals court decisions are forum/venue shopped by the plaintiffs to make sure that their cause gets its moment in the SCOTUS sun - even if they get turned down for a hearing, they set the precedent that they can be revisited - vis. Obergefell and the request for a re-hearing that was submitted today. Appeals all around! Meanwhile, the actuality on the ground is that kids find out they get to be cruel and no one can stop them. Teachers will have to hold the line and fear losing their jobs over this nonsense while the courts diddle themselves over how to justify their systematic "othering" of children who dare to stray from the mainstream. The bitch of the situation for the future, though, is that the "mainstream" is always changing, and those bullies, who often peak in high school, get left on the sidelines of society who grow up and move on from the playground shit tactics.
Thank you, from my Gold Star family! My uncle was one of the antifa fallen of WWII. He was also a kind soul who would be horrified at what has become of the country he fought and died to defend. It seems a cruel joke that nazis have taken over our government, and nearly half of America is OK with that.
The truth is, schools shouldn't need these types of policies anyway. It's the parents who should be punishing their kids when they bully and harass their classmates, and teaching them how to be respectful of others, e.g. how to be like Jesus, for the so-called Christians. The world gets more terrible every day.
Let me guess, the religion in question is Christianity. The same one where that guy in a robe and sandals said "don't throw stones at her or whatever" or "love thy neighbors and many more folks down the street." That guy supposedly was so gentle and kind to all kinds of people that they started a whole populous movement that took over most of the western world, and where people sit around Sundays reminding each other of how good that guy was and how it was important to respect and emulate his love and lack of stone-throwing impulses.
Somehow, I find this type of litigation to be anti-Christian, maybe? Kinda like throwing stones like it's going gangbusters. Not that I would know. I was always on the side of "sin".
More political violence from the right. I hope they get every punishment they deserve when the time comes for the ruthless harm they cause. No true person of faith would deliberately harm children then celebrate it
these quacks actually said “scientific beliefs.” They’re literally just making it all up bc they’re so driven to harm kids. Shameful!!
> these quacks actually said “scientific beliefs.” They’re literally just making it all up bc they’re so driven to harm kids.
Exactly. Science actually has more than just two genders, and not everybody is XX or XY. Intersex people exist, and once you start HRT the DNA gets coded from male to female (for transfems) or female to male (for transmascs).
This only struck down the injunction that put a pause on this policy until the case could be decided. Unfortunately, it's also a pretty clear indication of how it will be decided.
I'm tired of conservatives being evil.
The law, in its wisdom, prohibits both the rich and poor from sleeping under bridges.
This bastardized "equal protection" that erases trans identity needs to be relegated to the dustbin of history.
Just Wow…wtf,
So wouldn’t an application of this ruling also be that students could be made fun of for any diagnosed medical condition (such as neurodivergence or others) and/or disability as well, as it is “biological truth”?
US federal courts honestly are pathetic as of late…they are not following legal logic at all. They’re just catering to conservative insanity.
The dissent actually pointed this out! Said this could also allow people to bully others for "obesity."
I feel like we're well past the point where pointing out harm moves conservative judges.
Legally, then, how does the court draw a line around sexual harassment? There is not a huge distance between being allowed to jeer at someone else's weight, and being allowed to cat-call the girl in your class with the well-developed chest. Is "nice knockers" just an acknowledgment of "biological truth"?
The court's reasoning here seems remarkably ill-considered.
It's by design. Misogyny is baked into all of this culture war shit; has been from the beginning. If girls start getting harassed at greater rates because of this ruling, that's a feature, not a bug. It means fewer of those girls will go on to higher education, more of them will drop out as soon as they're able, and 𝘢𝘭𝘭 of them will know their proper place: under a man's boot.
Once again the conservative movement has placed an undue burden on the trans community as a whole and specifically on our children. To say that our kids can be bullied, insulted and allowed to have unnecessary mental issues is just beyond comprehension. I'll bet that these judges have no contact with the trans community and therefore no idea what it means to live their lives in constant threat. I would like to see these holy rollers sit down with these students and parents and learn about the harm that they are inflicting.
I don't believe for a second that they are naïve to what they are doing to us.
Again it’s the holy roller syndrome if you don’t agree with my positions you are wrong. I will try to force you to agree with me anyway I can
I read a lot of the decision. It's a lot to wade through, and is full of weird logic, seemingly using a Christian student's sincerely held beliefs as a basis for harassment. There are some dissenting judges on the court, who make similar arguments to Ketanji Brown Jackson's dissent in the shadow docket passport decision. It's unspeakably cruel to allow for the sort of bullying that will inevitably occur. Our courts, at every level, have been infected with right-wing Christians, who will use any argument they can think up to justify their preordained conclusions. Thank you for the coverage, Erin.
This along with the Supreme Court ruling on passports is just heartbreaking. I can’t believe in 2025 we have judges that are a so bigoted and mean. I am sad and angry at the same time.
The only words I have, as a lawyer, an educator and parent of two teenaged kids, is "what the actual fuck." I want to summon other, more erudite thoughts, but none seem to be coming to me at the moment.
Even if this federal court had ruled favorably, wouldn’t this have just gotten pushed to the supreme court, which as we saw from yesterday’s ruling, is just going to take the administration’s side no matter what legal logic they need to follow?
Things are now going to go even further downhill for trans people in the U.S. (both minors and adults), especially after yesterday’s calamity. What people don’t realize is that these negative decisions are never just about the specific issue covered in the decision. They embolden MAGA politicians and have very bad side effects in many other areas of life.
All of these sloppy, illogical appeals court decisions are forum/venue shopped by the plaintiffs to make sure that their cause gets its moment in the SCOTUS sun - even if they get turned down for a hearing, they set the precedent that they can be revisited - vis. Obergefell and the request for a re-hearing that was submitted today. Appeals all around! Meanwhile, the actuality on the ground is that kids find out they get to be cruel and no one can stop them. Teachers will have to hold the line and fear losing their jobs over this nonsense while the courts diddle themselves over how to justify their systematic "othering" of children who dare to stray from the mainstream. The bitch of the situation for the future, though, is that the "mainstream" is always changing, and those bullies, who often peak in high school, get left on the sidelines of society who grow up and move on from the playground shit tactics.
Now there are some activist judges begging to be impeached. Literally making up legal terms of art from whole cloth.
When the revolution going to happen? Like watching the world getting worse like this is horrifying.
For reference I am Cis White Hetero Male so I have no losses in this fight but, I'll be dammed If I am not going to stand up LGBTQIA+ and PoC rights!
We didn't win WWII just to hand it back to the fascists!
Honour the fallen! 🫡🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️✌🏻🤘🏻🖖🏻🇪🇺🇺🇳🕊
Thank you, from my Gold Star family! My uncle was one of the antifa fallen of WWII. He was also a kind soul who would be horrified at what has become of the country he fought and died to defend. It seems a cruel joke that nazis have taken over our government, and nearly half of America is OK with that.
I thank your American veterans as much as our British veterans and All those other nations who stood with us! 🫡
The far right is the most vile of people and is in my opinion a cancer on our country.
The truth is, schools shouldn't need these types of policies anyway. It's the parents who should be punishing their kids when they bully and harass their classmates, and teaching them how to be respectful of others, e.g. how to be like Jesus, for the so-called Christians. The world gets more terrible every day.
Problem is the parents are the ones raising bullies.
Let me guess, the religion in question is Christianity. The same one where that guy in a robe and sandals said "don't throw stones at her or whatever" or "love thy neighbors and many more folks down the street." That guy supposedly was so gentle and kind to all kinds of people that they started a whole populous movement that took over most of the western world, and where people sit around Sundays reminding each other of how good that guy was and how it was important to respect and emulate his love and lack of stone-throwing impulses.
Somehow, I find this type of litigation to be anti-Christian, maybe? Kinda like throwing stones like it's going gangbusters. Not that I would know. I was always on the side of "sin".
Time for us to have genital inspections to find out our biological pronouns. /s
More political violence from the right. I hope they get every punishment they deserve when the time comes for the ruthless harm they cause. No true person of faith would deliberately harm children then celebrate it
these quacks actually said “scientific beliefs.” They’re literally just making it all up bc they’re so driven to harm kids. Shameful!!
> these quacks actually said “scientific beliefs.” They’re literally just making it all up bc they’re so driven to harm kids.
Exactly. Science actually has more than just two genders, and not everybody is XX or XY. Intersex people exist, and once you start HRT the DNA gets coded from male to female (for transfems) or female to male (for transmascs).
Is this going to be appealed?
This only struck down the injunction that put a pause on this policy until the case could be decided. Unfortunately, it's also a pretty clear indication of how it will be decided.
This is exactly my question. I wonder if there's any recourse to be taken now.