I know this is kind of obvious, but it’s worth putting words to I think: They make it nearly impossible to get bottom surgery and spread horrific propaganda about the various bottom surgery procedures, but then use those same procedures as REQUIREMENTS to gatekeep government-mandated IDs. It’s a system designed to endanger and invalidate trans people.
People seem to forget how cruel hate mongers are. Ever see any postcards of the hangings of black people. They actually made postcards to send to their friends.
Yes, then they do that, but also insist that government health programs, like those for military families, do not cover gender affirming care. So you need money to access surgery (which ensures sterilization) and that surgery leads to an updated ID, but without an updated ID you get discriminated against in employment and thus can't hold a job to earn the money for surgery. It's a never ending circle.
Pryor should have said fuck it and dissented anyway, the conservative judges seem to being doing that shit all over the place. Not just their own Circuit Court precedents, the SCOTUS precedents as well.
That ruling and the reasoning behind it are like the logic used in medieval witch trials, and as faulty. Judith Butler correctly points out, in Who’s Afraid of Gender, that discrimination against transgender individuals is sex discrimination. An individual assigned male sex at birth and who now identifies as female, is restricted from having the DL show her gender identity correctly, whereas a person assigned female sex at birth, and who currently identifies as female, could have a DL show her correct gender marker (female, the same marker as the transgender woman) without undergoing sterilization. So, because the transgender woman is made to perform an act that a non-transgender woman is not, she is being discriminated against based on her sex assignment at birth, the only gender identity recognized by these MAGA judges. How is it no one was able to bring forward this argument in the case?
Excellent point! Do wonder if/how/when this reasoning was used (I’m sure it was) and how the court argued their way back out of it. Because it seems pretty damn obvious that this ruling is absolutely, without a doubt, discriminatory. I’m just so angry right now!!!
How fucked up is it that the same appellate court we have to rely on to not let our treasonous fuck of an ex-President off the hook for stealing an entire SCIF's worth of classified documents, is also completely on board with eugenicist bullshit aimed at pushing trans people out of society altogether? Because that's where we're at right now.
Bottom surgery should NOT be a requirement for legal recognition of transition. Period.
But even for those who do eventually want bottom surgery, it can take years between beginning medical transition and surgery. The state is punishing even those who jump through all the hoops and do what's legally required by denying them recognition until they've finished the process, while also making the process as long and arduous as possible.
It's almost like they think trans people shouldn't exist.
I was specifically referring to Alabama Policy Order 63, mentioned in the article, which specifies that "sex reassignment surgery" is required for a gender market change. It's not clear from the article (and probably not from the policy order either) exactly what surgery is required, but it probably means genital surgery for trans women. For trans men, goodness only knows. It's possible the people making the rules in Alabama don't even know that trans men exist.
It's been happening around the country and was a requirement when I got my ID changed in GA (2016).
Trust me, it's going on around Erin's readers/subscribers ... 'don't even know that trans men exist'. Just take the correction and realize this issue is about us, too.
GCS of some form or fashion is a requirement on both sides in these stinking Southern States. I didn't say it SHOULD be a requirement. I tricked the system without surgery and got it done.
𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨... I have yet to hear a single credible argument as to why there should even 𝘣𝘦 gender markers on any official ID in the first place. Are motor vehicle laws, or liquor laws, or tobacco laws, or weed laws (where relevant) different depending on whether you're a man, a woman, or neither? No. And we're told that, because the 𝘭𝘢𝘸 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥 prohibits sex discrimination, that there are no laws which may (legitimately) be applied unequally to people of differing genders, so... what the fuck is that letter on the ID even for, anymore?
Perhaps there was some justification for it, back before the age of the Photo ID, but we're in the age of Biometrics now- it is within the realm of possibility to determine a person's ID with an electronic fingerprint reader, or face-match an on-scene snapshot with a photo on file (either stored in the digital code on the ID's rear face), and it'd be far more accurate than a pair of human eyeballs married to a fundamentally biased brain going "𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘩... 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘢𝘯 '𝘍' 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘦." It's a redundancy from a bygone era- and one which introduces more problems than it could possibly resolve.
No matter how you slice it, it's bigotry- whether stale leftover sexism from decades ago, or freshly shat-out transphobia. There shouldn't be gender markers on IDs at all. They serve no useful purpose besides empowering petty tyrants to fuck with anybody they please for not conforming to some arbitrary and entirely subjective aesthetic preconception.
I could tell you why it's there, but I'm not sure it would calm your nerves. No, I'm not in law enforcement. I'm a veteran. I can't stand the pohleece. Listen, it's probably more for if you go to jail than anything or to identify you for crime. Also, the military does need to know where to put you during basic training and missions. I didn't fuss about it. I just changed everything, including my DD214.
I know this is kind of obvious, but it’s worth putting words to I think: They make it nearly impossible to get bottom surgery and spread horrific propaganda about the various bottom surgery procedures, but then use those same procedures as REQUIREMENTS to gatekeep government-mandated IDs. It’s a system designed to endanger and invalidate trans people.
Because as always, the CRUELTY is the POINT.
People seem to forget how cruel hate mongers are. Ever see any postcards of the hangings of black people. They actually made postcards to send to their friends.
Exactly. It’s genocide against people like us.
Yes, then they do that, but also insist that government health programs, like those for military families, do not cover gender affirming care. So you need money to access surgery (which ensures sterilization) and that surgery leads to an updated ID, but without an updated ID you get discriminated against in employment and thus can't hold a job to earn the money for surgery. It's a never ending circle.
They don't care, they just want us dead
Pryor should have said fuck it and dissented anyway, the conservative judges seem to being doing that shit all over the place. Not just their own Circuit Court precedents, the SCOTUS precedents as well.
Agreed
That ruling and the reasoning behind it are like the logic used in medieval witch trials, and as faulty. Judith Butler correctly points out, in Who’s Afraid of Gender, that discrimination against transgender individuals is sex discrimination. An individual assigned male sex at birth and who now identifies as female, is restricted from having the DL show her gender identity correctly, whereas a person assigned female sex at birth, and who currently identifies as female, could have a DL show her correct gender marker (female, the same marker as the transgender woman) without undergoing sterilization. So, because the transgender woman is made to perform an act that a non-transgender woman is not, she is being discriminated against based on her sex assignment at birth, the only gender identity recognized by these MAGA judges. How is it no one was able to bring forward this argument in the case?
Excellent point! Do wonder if/how/when this reasoning was used (I’m sure it was) and how the court argued their way back out of it. Because it seems pretty damn obvious that this ruling is absolutely, without a doubt, discriminatory. I’m just so angry right now!!!
Eugenics never ended.
People are still sterilized in prison in this country to this day.
Another day, another reason to despise conservatives.
Alabama is run by nothing more than knuckle dragging Neanderthals and need to crawl back into the stone ages where they belong
Ok now we sue to get gender markers removed from licenses because it has nothing to do with driving a car
How fucked up is it that the same appellate court we have to rely on to not let our treasonous fuck of an ex-President off the hook for stealing an entire SCIF's worth of classified documents, is also completely on board with eugenicist bullshit aimed at pushing trans people out of society altogether? Because that's where we're at right now.
This fucking country sometimes, I swear...
Thank you for reporting. Grim news for our folks in AL. I expect other states & courts to follow their cruel lead
sure am glad I left Alabama 20 years ago and never looked back
Bottom surgery should NOT be a requirement for legal recognition of transition. Period.
But even for those who do eventually want bottom surgery, it can take years between beginning medical transition and surgery. The state is punishing even those who jump through all the hoops and do what's legally required by denying them recognition until they've finished the process, while also making the process as long and arduous as possible.
It's almost like they think trans people shouldn't exist.
Correction. Bottom OR top surgery. Women around here keep forgetting there are trans men fans of Erin Reed. No, it shouldn't be a requirement.
Surgery shouldn't be a requirement. Period.
I was specifically referring to Alabama Policy Order 63, mentioned in the article, which specifies that "sex reassignment surgery" is required for a gender market change. It's not clear from the article (and probably not from the policy order either) exactly what surgery is required, but it probably means genital surgery for trans women. For trans men, goodness only knows. It's possible the people making the rules in Alabama don't even know that trans men exist.
It's been happening around the country and was a requirement when I got my ID changed in GA (2016).
Trust me, it's going on around Erin's readers/subscribers ... 'don't even know that trans men exist'. Just take the correction and realize this issue is about us, too.
GCS of some form or fashion is a requirement on both sides in these stinking Southern States. I didn't say it SHOULD be a requirement. I tricked the system without surgery and got it done.
Evergreen onion article (I realize the 11th circuit isn’t the SCOTUS, but the same principle applies): https://theonion.com/supreme-court-overturns-right-v-wrong-1819573211/
One of the best Onion articles ever. Thanks for the link
No prob, Bob!
𝘈𝘯𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨... I have yet to hear a single credible argument as to why there should even 𝘣𝘦 gender markers on any official ID in the first place. Are motor vehicle laws, or liquor laws, or tobacco laws, or weed laws (where relevant) different depending on whether you're a man, a woman, or neither? No. And we're told that, because the 𝘭𝘢𝘸 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥 prohibits sex discrimination, that there are no laws which may (legitimately) be applied unequally to people of differing genders, so... what the fuck is that letter on the ID even for, anymore?
Perhaps there was some justification for it, back before the age of the Photo ID, but we're in the age of Biometrics now- it is within the realm of possibility to determine a person's ID with an electronic fingerprint reader, or face-match an on-scene snapshot with a photo on file (either stored in the digital code on the ID's rear face), and it'd be far more accurate than a pair of human eyeballs married to a fundamentally biased brain going "𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘩... 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘢𝘯 '𝘍' 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘦." It's a redundancy from a bygone era- and one which introduces more problems than it could possibly resolve.
No matter how you slice it, it's bigotry- whether stale leftover sexism from decades ago, or freshly shat-out transphobia. There shouldn't be gender markers on IDs at all. They serve no useful purpose besides empowering petty tyrants to fuck with anybody they please for not conforming to some arbitrary and entirely subjective aesthetic preconception.
I could tell you why it's there, but I'm not sure it would calm your nerves. No, I'm not in law enforcement. I'm a veteran. I can't stand the pohleece. Listen, it's probably more for if you go to jail than anything or to identify you for crime. Also, the military does need to know where to put you during basic training and missions. I didn't fuss about it. I just changed everything, including my DD214.
I can't say I'm surprised this happened in Alabama. I feel awful for the trans folks this will do harm to.
Absolutely OUTRAGEOUS!
Angry beyond words here… absolutely incensed. I would love to ask these judges: In what way are we less deserving of rights, less human than you?